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The problem with such statements is that they are inherently defeatist attitudes that only breed complacency and apathy, as if you're right, then what the hell is the point of trying to organize within nations such as the United States. Further how do you classify who is a settler in a state such as the modern day United States? Do you lock mixed race people out of the movement as well? How about if they are white passing? Or how about recent "white immigrants"? What about the millions of white appearing people descended from settlers that live in abject poverty or are crushed under the oppression of capitalism? You can't seriously believe that there's absolutely no way such people could be mobilized or organized to join or lead a revolution, can you?
In such a racially and ethnically diverse nation like the United States, do you genuinely believe that you will ever effectively mobilize the working class if you limit your demographics to... who exactly? "Pure" Native Americans and "pure" black individuals who can trace their roots back to slavery and have no race mixing in their lineage?
I also fail to see the issue with the article, the author agrees that the United States is a settler colonial project, and that the lasting consequences of this must be addressed within a socialist society. However, all he states is that chasing bizarre notions of racial purity when organizing only sets back the movement by isolating elements of the working class that are ripe for education and radicalization. What do you see wrong with his statements?
Ok, lets say you're right and are able to effectively exclude who you label settlers. Ok... what now? How does this benefit your organizing, popularity among the proletariat, and ability to sway the population to your side?
The issue with the article is that it practically implies that there aren't any contradictions between settlers and non-settlers. It acts as if settlers class interests don't often align with that of the bourgeoisie. Practically an outright denial of the labour aristocracy. And let's just be honest, no one has ever advocated for barring white people from participating in the workers' movement. Not one.
OPs past comments explicitly state that that’s what they wish for.
Also this is a conflation of the current stage of settler colonialism in states such as Zionist Israel and the United States. Settler interests are not a thing anymore in the United States, beyond maintaining the systems of power and consequences of previous colonial policy. Also no one is denying the labour aristocracy, however being a “settler” does not impart magical labour aristocracy privilege to even the vast majority of “white” people directly descendant from settlers.
Also labour aristocracy arises from workers exploiting super profits from external colonies. How does the author sweep aside that in any way?
Not once in the article is it mentioned that certain parts of the "multinational" US have vested interest in imperialism and internal exploitation. I'll show you two places where this is completely omitted despite being crucial to the topic
OP didn't mention that in this thread though. Albeit i haven't checked their past comments on other threads
I would suggest reading through their comments. They believe that no one beyond black individuals descended from slaves and indigenous population deserve to participate and lead revolutionary organizations and that white participants can neither understand nor have a place in a decolonial world.
They froth at the mouth about “Starbucks leftists” over and over. This person is not serious.
“Deep issues due to the settler base of the parties”
Ie: it’s not government interference or other issues, it’s the white people who ruin everything.
Okay, yeah i don't agree with that view. I just misunderstood OPs views
Still a sprinkle of truth to be found in there though. Specifically when they mention CPUSA, Maki, SACP struggling with the labour aristocracy due to, again, many of them having a vested interest in maintaining the present state of things.
I mean, that's what I believe. I don't think settlers can't participate but they need to be subjegated to the actual proletariat (ie join the PFLP and not Maki, the EFF not SACP) and focus on decolonial marxism and not a labor politics that ignores very real contradictions. When they lead a communist party, you have a party with labor aristocracy conciousness. Also, I don't think Ive ever mentioned "starbucks leftists" like was claimed, no clue where that came from other than trying to make me out as a crypto conservative
Alr, thanks for clarifying
This is where Starbucks leftist came from. No clue who he is referring to with this. This is the classic conservative line.