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[–] SootySootySoot@hexbear.net 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

How would this work? If they could work out you were masking your location, then.. VPNs wouldn't be a thing.

Isn't this the equivalent of making it a crime to lie about you doing crime? What does it possibly achieve?

[–] red_giant@hexbear.net 10 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (2 children)

IPv8 proposals end up making anonymity pretty difficult.

And there are under-development systems to provide a method of your carrier disclosing information about you, so like your network packets would get some kind of tag added to them that can be used to query your rough location, age, and potentially other stuff like payment processing. Right now it’s opt-in, eg “do you want to verify you’re 18?”, but that will change as soon as it’s widespread.

[–] TheMadBeagle@hexbear.net 2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

May I ask you to see the reply by Moidialectica@hexbear.net below and make an edit to specify that your reply is based off a unvetted proposal and the proposal should likely not to be taken seriously. I just want to make sure we don't cause panic over misinformation. I would really appreciate this.

[–] Moidialectica@hexbear.net 4 points 20 hours ago (2 children)
[–] TheMadBeagle@hexbear.net 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

You should look at the reply by Moidialectica@hexbear.net below. It is an unvetted proposal standard to the IETF that should not be taken seriously.

[–] Moidialectica@hexbear.net 2 points 7 hours ago

that's me tee hee

[–] red_giant@hexbear.net 12 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (2 children)

It’s still an early draft.

You can view it as the proposed successor to IPv6, but really it’s more of an extension to IPv4.

Put simply, IPv6 is beginning to be seen as a failure, so IPv8 looks at why IPv6 adoption is still so poor and proposes something else.

IPv8 is backwards compatible with IPv4 (IPv4 becomes a subset of IPv8) which should help adoption since there’s no grand switch-over day like IPv6 requires.

But it also includes a bunch of other stuff, including the idea that every single network element has an identity. So, like, your router can identify itself in a verifiable manner to your ISP by using a JWT.

This allows some good things, for example right now it’s a flaw in the internet that you often have to simply trust an IP address for important data. Like a router can advertise routes and currently your home network trusts your ISP for routes because somewhere in your router there is a static IP assigned and your home router will just trust that IP…. Stuff like this which leaves a lot of infra open to attack such as spoofing or man in the middle stuff.

In IPv8 your router can now verify the identity of who is actually talking to it. This is good, but the downside is that it makes it much more difficult to be anonymous since traffic is now deeply identifiable.

It also allows for every single network element to be uniquely addressable. Under IPv4, typically there is port mapping so the public internet sees “you” as your ISP, but under IPv8 it’s proposed to make every single network element directly addressable by IP, identity, and DNS8. This also enables cool things like potentially you could have asynchronous communication without needing to keep a socket open and dealing with port exhaustion but it also means you’re much less anonymous than under IPv4.

It’s probably moot anyway since these days your ISP and every server / router in the middle is maintaining detailed access logs anyway so your anonymity is already gone, but it makes it much simpler to deanonymize and potentially even undermines stuff like using a VPN by creating many more vectors by which a VPN can leak identity.

[–] Moidialectica@hexbear.net 7 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Are you talking about this ipv8 proposal? From what I know this was a false submission

https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-thain-ipv8-00.html

The video where I first learnt it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YPnh6dlyQQ

[–] HexReplyBot@hexbear.net 1 points 15 hours ago

I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:

[–] TheMadBeagle@hexbear.net 1 points 10 hours ago

May I ask you to see the reply by Moidialectica@hexbear.net below and make an edit to specify that your reply is based off a unvetted proposal and the proposal should likely not to be taken seriously. I just want to make sure we don't cause panic over misinformation. I would really appreciate this.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

They'll possibly find out when they search phones and computers of suspects while looking for other evidence.