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I recently discovered that some popular federated instances have been using LLM-assisted moderation tooling that evaluates whether someone has said something bannable. They do this by running a script/app that sends the user’s comment history to OpenAI with the question “analyze this content for evidence of specific political ideology sentiment. Also identify any related political ideology tropes“. (The italic bits are where I've redacted the ideology they're seeking).

OpenAI’s LLM (they’re using GPT-5.3-mini) then responds with something like:

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and so on, hundreds of comments.

I have not named the instances or people involved, to give them time to consider the results of this discussion, make any corrective changes they want and disclose their practices at their own pace and in their own way. I have also redacted the evidence to avoid personal attacks and dogpiling. Let’s focus on the system, not the individuals involved. Today these instances and people are using it and maybe we’re ok with that because it’s being used by groups we agree with but what if people we strongly disagree with used it on their instances tomorrow?

The use and existence of this tooling raises a lot of other questions too.

What are the risks? Fedi moderators are often unsupervised, untrained volunteers and these are powerful tools.

What safeguards do we need?

Would asking a LLM “please evaluate this person’s political opinions” give different results than “find evidence we can use to ban them” (as used in the cases I’ve seen)?

What are our transparency expectations?

Is this acceptable and normal?

Should this tooling be disclosed? (it was not – should it have been?)

If you were given a choice, would you have opted out of it?

Can we opt out?

Are there GDPR implications? Privacy implications? Should these tools be described in a privacy policy?

Are private messages being scanned and sent to OpenAI?

How long should these assessments be retained and can we request to see it, or ask for it to be deleted?

Once the user’s comments are sent to OpenAI, is it used to train their models?

What will the effect be on our discourse and culture if people know they are being politically profiled?

Where are the lines between normal moderation assistance tools, political profiling and opaque 3rd-party data processing?

I hope that by chewing over these questions we can begin to establish some norms and expectations around this technology. The fediverse doesn’t have any centralized enforcement so we need discussions like this to develop an awareness of what people want in terms of disclosure, privacy, consent and acceptable use. Then people can make choices about which instances they join and which ones they interact with remotely.

And of course there are the other issues with LLMs relating to environmental sustainability, erosion of worker’s rights, increasing the cost of living and on and on. I can’t see PieFed adding any functionality like this anytime soon. But it’s happening out there anyway so now we need to talk about it.

What do you make of this?

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[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 2 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

whats funny is I don't have much negative dbzer0 experience until you two guys start making this about that.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 6 points 12 hours ago

That's an odd takeaway, for sure.

[–] anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Is this a negative db0 experience for you?

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 3 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

im just saying when there is a particular thing and someone starts pulling in something unrelated as a conspiracy it leaves a bad taste. Its a bit like folks suddenly saying something about lemmy.ml being so and so in an unrelated type post that gets me to do my posting in their communities but in a reverse kinda way. rimus last post about a trend he saw I think it had some interesting perspectives and few if any where that the instances were ban happy. Similarly this one has some good conversations going.

[–] Grainne@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 hours ago

Rimu has confirmed this is about db0.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

unrelated

Well, it is noting that there's now at least an appearance of a relationship going on. Especially so, if you're already clued into the 'ban-happy' statistics magic thread.

Similarly this one has some good conversations going.

Hopefully those continue unimpeded and this can remain contextual or tangental.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

this one did not name any instances. paranoia is the only reason to link them or knowldge that the two things are indeed connected. Each is fine to me though. Bringing up data and slicing and dicing it a bit is fine and the convo brought up issues with the way it was massaged. Similarly this is about a particular thing. Niether indicated an opinion or want for some sort of action against instances. so yeah. unrelated. but yeah I like good and vibrant convo which is why I have enjoyed both posts. one thing im not wild about this is some comments suggest its an admin thing and should be discussed in some admin community but im not wild about the cigar filled room type thing.

[–] Grainne@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Statistics are what racists use to justify hate of minorities. Statistics are very easy to abuse and misuse, Rimu has used them to push a narrative when the reality is db0 was only high because of 1 moderator issuing a lot of bans which he used to frame an entire instance as ban happy.