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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (20 children)

Europe always supported Israel as a victim of WW2, this support has been misguided for decades IMO.
At least it is finally dawning on many European political leaders that we cannot continue to support Israel, because their crimes cannot be defended by "the other side is just as bad" anymore. Europe is actually moving towards morality in general, not against it.
Regarding Afghanistan that was an FN mandated operation supported by most countries in the world. And it had some pretty good reasons behind it.
But in hindsight the operation was futile, and the atrocious religiously fundamental regime that we hoped to replace with something better is back. Oppressing everybody especially women based on fanatic religious beliefs. IDK why you call it Taliban vs. Israel, because AFAIK it was originally Taliban vs. USA.

So no Europe does not only respect international law when it's convenient. Which is also why from day 1, USA was not allowed to use many European bases for their attack on Iran.
European countries have been following USA into questionable endeavors like the Iraq war, but already back then, many European countries were unwilling to help USA, because the operation was "questionable".
And as it turned out, the intelligence that allegedly justified the action, turned out to be false. Which to many of us was no surprise. But USA fooled many governments. My own government was investigated for the issue, and the conclusion was that they did the right thing, because USA was crucial for our defense!
So yes that part is sick. We are not perfect, but we are trying to improve. And Iraq was themselves an aggressor, so they weren't exactly innocent.

[–] BananaLama@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago (10 children)

The invasion of Afghanistan only later became a UN operation, after the invasion began. And Iraq was the aggressor in the 80s not 2003.

I'm not encouraging, defending, or supporting the Taliban in any way. It was just the first example that came to mind. Hell the Iraq invasion would've made a better example as that had nothing to do with the UN.

And I'm not saying there isn't a divide in Europe on Israel either.

But the countries in Europe for the most part have taken a stance to support Israel (examples being UK, FRANCE, and Germany) while also leading a military operation on a sovereign country.

There are many other examples and more the further back in time you're willing to go. The French campaign in Algeria for instance.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (9 children)

And Iraq was the aggressor in the 80s not 2003.

Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990. But you point is true.

Hell the Iraq invasion would’ve made a better example as that had nothing to do with the UN.

I agree, I was extremely mad at my government for falling for the American lies and joining USA in that.

But the countries in Europe for the most part have taken a stance to support Israel (examples being UK, FRANCE, and Germany) while also leading a military operation on a sovereign country.

This is sadly true, and the times I've heard that Israel is a democracy, as if that is an excuse. Why would a democracy have more rights to invade other countries? I am all for democracy, and I believe democracy is by far the best system of governance we have. But that doesn't mean we have a right to break international law, or help other countries when they do so.

There are many other examples and more the further back in time you’re willing to go.

That is consistent with my point that Europe has generally improved to respect the rights of other countries more. Israel is a sore spot in that regard, other examples since WW2 were typically driven by USA, like instating the Shah in Iran and destroy their democracy. There is no reasonable basis for the way the west has treated Iran after they rebelled against the Shah. Except the insane immorality of having an official government death warrant on Salman Rushdie. But that has never been an argument against any of the sanctions or threats against Iran.

[–] MastKalandar@piefed.ca 1 points 19 hours ago

Okay.... So what do you think of lndia as a democracy ??🤔🤔

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