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[–] 5ha99y@lemmus.org 9 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (4 children)

Capitalism is dominant and longer used than Communism. The total amount of deaths is naturally higher. It doesn't tell anything about the actual amount of deaths communism could have, if it is active in the same capacity and amount of time, this plot would be more interesting.

And just to make things clear, I am not taking a position for any of the two. I just think this argument is not representative.

[–] Kynsey@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Currently 18.75% of the world population lives in a communist country. (China, Vietnam, The DPRK, Laos, and Cuba.)

Shall we compare how many people have died to preventable causes in these countries in the last 10 years to the United States alone? Which has a vastly smaller populaton? Take covid for example.

China: 13,524 confirmed COVID deaths.

Vietnam: 43,383 confirmed COVID deaths.

DPRK: 0 reported confirmed COVID deaths (no official reporting to WHO).

Laos: 4,327 confirmed COVID deaths.

Cuba: 11,777 confirmed COVID deaths.

United States: 1,191,000 confirmed COVID deaths. (Accusations of underreporting and categorizing them as "pneumonia" in some states to improve numbers.)

It's not even fucking close. The US by comparison is around 4% of the world population. So even with 6x more people to protect, much less funds and resources to do so, and a geographic disadvantage (The US has 2 oceans next to it to make controlling movement easier), the communist nations protected their people, and the US let hundreds of thousands of its own people die. Simply because maintaining commerce and profit margins was more important than protecting its people.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

They'll ignore this and just claim that the deaths were covered up.

[–] Godric@lemmy.world 1 points 7 minutes ago

0 Covid Deaths in North Korea, and your response is to laugh at people for not trusting the numbers??? Alright then buddy.

[–] Kynsey@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 hour ago

Probably. But maybe someone will see it who has an open mind and didn't know this.

[–] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml 24 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

We can draw numbers from countries that lived both. How about... Russia? Yeah, the numbers don't look good.

Furthermore, we can draw conclussions from the simple fact that Capitalism is ruled by Capital. It doesn't care about anything else but to amass capital, in order to do this, it will kill, rape, torture, coup, create different kinds of military operations, etc. Or simply do stupid shit, like... using cars instead of trains (jaywalking was invented by capital!).

Socialism in the other hand is ruled by material conditions and a drive to develop the productive forces in order to satisfy the needs of the proletariat.

We do not need actual numbers because the philosophies of both already tell us what they outcomes will, more or less, look like. One doesn't care about lives, or productivity, simply treating currency as a literal replacement of God, it is a Frankenstein's monster that replaced religion by Capital. Amen.

[–] IAmYouButYouDontKnowYet@reddthat.com -3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

You can't have opinions like that. You have to choose sides. /S

[–] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

That's why they're called opinions! Not facts!

[–] 5ha99y@lemmus.org 2 points 3 hours ago

Well, the post tries to deliver a fact, which is not representational. I see the opinion that philosophically communism might be defending human rights better but the post tries to back it by facts, which are inherently not representative.