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[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 hours ago (5 children)

You can, but you shouldn't. If you came up to me and told me my nephew deserves to die of cancer, I'd tell you you're an asshole and I want you to stay away from me and my family

[–] AlvinTheChipmunk@sopuli.xyz -2 points 1 hour ago (4 children)

but you shouldn’t

Selena Gomez, Taylor Swift, Kim Kardashian, and Oprah are billionaires. One could argue, "You shouldn't say they deserve to die." However, you do have the right to say that; it's the First Amendment. So yes, if you feel that Selena Gomez or Tyler Perry deserves to die because they are billionaires, then you can say it—you have that right. At the exact same time, I have the right to say that your two young nephews deserve painful cancer, or that they deserve to die in a school shooting.

[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 hour ago (3 children)

Nobody is denying you have a legal right to say it, it just doesn't make any sense to say it, especially completely unprovoked. I'm not saying any of those celebrities should die, it's just you saying that. I don't know why you're so obsessed with your right to wish kids dead. It's disturbing

[–] AlvinTheChipmunk@sopuli.xyz -3 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

’m not saying any of those celebrities should die

Dude, here is my point, and this is the only point I'm making: the people in these comments are saying Tyler Perry, Oprah, Selena Gomez, and Taylor Swift deserve to die since they are billionaires. If they die, these people will celebrate their deaths, which is 100% okay—that is their right to say and do that. At the same time, however, people are allowed to say, 'Your kids deserve cancer. They deserve to die in a school shooting.' See how that works? If you think someone deserves to die, then people are also allowed to think you deserve to die. That's all I'm saying, dude.

[–] Count042@lemmy.ml 5 points 54 minutes ago* (last edited 48 minutes ago)

They already think I should die. You're confusing your timeline.

People feeling that billionaire parasites that are already trying to kill us by poking holes in the lifeboat should be stopped from trying to kill us is the real order.

Also, your supposed self professed point isn't your point. Or if it truly is, than you're in im14andthisisdeep territory that isn't even worth speaking out loud and your parents need to restrict your internet access.

[–] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@anarchist.nexus 3 points 51 minutes ago* (last edited 43 minutes ago)

If you think someone deserves to die, then people are also allowed to think you deserve to die.

Yeah I literally don't care if you think or even outright say I deserve to die. It's literally not a speech issue. It's about the implication that one plans to act on those things.

For example, when a fascist or an anticommunist liberal says "PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S should die for being an anarcho-communist", it's their right to say that and, in isolation, I wouldn't care. And I basically never do act on these threats. The issue is that there is both a historical precedent and current practice of fascists and anticommunist liberals acting on their threats.

If one says to me "PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S's kids deserve to die of cancer in a school shooting"... that has no teeth in reality. I have no kids, and even if I did, one can't give them cancer, and the person would just be mentioning school shootings to be edgy. It's just some asshole babbling on the Internet.

And for this reason, I actually do understand why billionaires crack down on anti-capitalist speech in practice: because it will strip of their power, and possibly their lives if they keep up their horseshit. I simply do not care about billionaires and their monstrous desires. From their perspective, the threat posed by anti-capitalists is real...but billionaires have brought it on themselves, and they can easily fix this by voluntarily surrendering their control, telling their militaries to back off, and giving control of the means of production to the workers.

Like yes, I absolutely do want to make the "nice" billionaires you mentioned no longer billionaires. If they're really so "nice", then violence should not need to be an option.