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[–] victorz@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

I mean, the blue shirt guy admitted that some vehicles might have to turn over the median into oncoming traffic to avoid the thing on the road. That isn't great, in defense of people not liking this change. That's dangerous, and bad design.

[–] AMoralNihilist@feddit.uk 26 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The large vehicles he's referring to are industrial large vehicles. Which require special licensing. Even the big ass pickup truck they showed could make the turn with no issues at all going at a reasonable speed.

[–] atrielienz@lemmy.world -4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Not every truck a municipality's public works department uses is this size. You don't need special licensing to drive a dual wheel F350 long bed, and I'd wager that might be a problem to turn that corner depending on what it has in it. If they need to replace signs, or even just do road work, they need to be able to turn that corner. I have a lot of questions about this.

What happens when it's an ambulance (a lot of those are built on f450 chassis and don't require a CDL).

[–] kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 week ago

Even the truck they showed in the video that went into the other lane didn't need to. It's just shit drivers in vehicles that are too large. So many large ass truck grocery getters.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Fair point. Just might not be great adding those things near turns. Or what are they even for?

[–] Spur4383@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

They are supposed to be near turns and intersections. That’s where cars mix with pedestrians, and shrinking the road Menes then go slower.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

I feel like this is trying to solve a problem of inattentive drivers rather than the mix of cars and pedestrians/bikers. Drivers are sloppy in general. 🫤

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 19 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Just go slowly and stop if there is a car coming.

[–] bryndos@fedia.io 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes , pretty common for large vehicles to have to to this sooner or later. Driver shouldn't be operating such large vehicles if their training and licensing, and knowledge of turning circle isn't enough for them to know how to do this safely.

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 15 points 1 week ago

We should be discouraging unnecessarily large vehicles anyway, ideally through urban design like this. Another element I like is sequential speed bumps with uneven gaps, smaller vehicles already going reasonable speeds can just weave through the gaps, larger vehicles going fast are required to slow.

[–] Iconoclast@feddit.uk 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Going slow doesn't make the wheelbase shorter. Forcing people to drive onto the lane of oncoming traffic is bad infrastructure design.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

Maybe, but if you insist on an oversized vehicle and don’t have the skill to keep it in lane, then maybe a little inconvenience is ok

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The traffic engineer interviewed knows the wheelbase of common vehicles. Most people don't need to drive into traffic, they're just not turning the wheel enough, early enough.

But the people driving cars with the wheelbase of a semi can still take the turn, you just look for oncoming traffic before you use part of the lane.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Or too early. Part of the flood of bad driving since pandemic is everyone seems to cut corners now. Whether crossing lanes or the into opposing traffic on a curve, having trouble with a simple turn, or changing lanes while turning

[–] Naich@piefed.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The example they used had the turning circle of an oil tanker and would have trouble with a lot of corners. Any normal vehicle would be fine.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world -5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Crashing into an oil tanker would probably be worse for the oncoming vehicle than crashing into a normal vehicle though. Forcing any vehicle into oncoming traffic is dangerous design.

Edit: people down voting truth and common sense. 🤷‍♂️ Cool.

[–] healthetank@lemmy.ca 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Are you a civil engineer or technician?

In my area MOST small residential roads will already require semis to turn into oncoming in order to make tight turns - this is not uncommon, and a reason there's additional licensing for those vehicles. They have a wide turning radius and should know where and how to make that maneuver safely.

There's nothing wrong with this setup - speaking as a civil engineer in road design.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world -4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Are you a civil engineer or technician?

Why do you give me only those two options lol?

[–] healthetank@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Typically, civil engineers are the only ones who can stamp drawings, and the ones who take legal responsibility for the design. But I know there are some jurisdictions where eng techs can 'design' and take some level of responsibility, so wanted to leave that door open.

Something tells me you're not in road design though, regardless of title.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

No lol, I'm not in road design. I am a civil engineer, however.

[–] SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Our city buses do it as a routine part of many routes, as do school buses. Large trucks and construction vehicles, too. Me, when I'm towing my boat sometimes. Intersections inherently force vehicles into crossing paths. That's what an intersection is. So, if it's dangerous, then we shouldn't have intersections.

Call out the real problem here: shitty, entitled drivers.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world -1 points 6 days ago

That's what an intersection is.

Not if you make a right turn...

But sure, inconvenient and very rare vehicles surely would probably have to cross over a little into oncoming. But regular large vehicles shouldn't have to, ideally.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 6 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Also from context I think that's a residential neighbourhood so how many large trucks are going to be driving through?

[–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 days ago

I live on a dead end residential street and have big box trucks come through all the time for deliveries. There's also the garbage/recycling/yard debris trucks that come through every week.

[–] atrielienz@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Any municipal vehicle. They don't get sewage backups or anything? They never need an ambulance?

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Probably a lot of garbage trucks?

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Unless US trucks are considerably bigger than average they'll be able to make that corner. I regularly go around corners sharper than that in what is for Europe a pretty big car.

Big 18 wheelers are going to have a problem but they would have had a problem on the original road with as well.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

Unless US trucks are considerably bigger than average

Have you been to the US? 😅

[–] danekrae@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

They can either claim land of the residents to make the road wider, they could leave it dangerous for pedestrians/bicyclists, they could shut the road down completely, or just do what they have done in the video.

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world -2 points 1 week ago (3 children)

If they are comcerned about speeding, they could install speed bumps or speed cameras. Those actually work.

[–] GreyEyedGhost@piefed.ca 13 points 1 week ago

Plenty of research has shown that people will drive at a speed that feels comfortable. Narrower lanes are known to cause people to slow down without additional discomfort or fining speeders.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 8 points 1 week ago

Making the lanes narrow also works. That's why they did it. Also people vandalise speed cameras so that's not worth it, and speed bumps don't work because people just floor it between the bumps.

[–] danekrae@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Probably, they are concerned about the people in the small lane. Bicyclists and pedestrians. Speed bumps doesn't stop those large american vehicles from taking out a person in their blind spot during a right turn.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

those large american vehicles

Don't they have outside mirrors? I use those to check for bikes before making turns... 🙄 Like I was taught in driving school.

[–] danekrae@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I was taught to do that AND check your blind spot, because the mirror doesn't catch everything.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Yeah exactly, that's what I do too. First outside mirrors for far away riders, then blind spot for immediate vicinity just before turning, while keeping in mind what I saw in the mirror.