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[โ€“] sunsofold@lemmy.zip 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Sexual morality is rooted in consent. Mortal morality is not.

[โ€“] when@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

So Killing animal without their permission is right. But Sex with animal without their permission is wrong. It isn't consistent. It feels like we are just giving justifications for far worse crime because we have benefits associated with it.

[โ€“] sunsofold@lemmy.zip 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

The moral standing of a killing is completely unrelated to consent for most people. Most would say murder doesn't become moral because the victim was suicidal. The killing itself is the basis for the moral stance, not the desires of the victim. The act is valued. Consent is neutral.

Sexual interaction is different. It does not necessitate a state change. It can be done to positive effect if done with consent. But animals, much like children, are viewed as insufficiently capable of granting consent. The consent is the basis for the moral stance, not the act itself. Consent is valued. The act is neutral.

[โ€“] when@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Consent is the core concept which makes assisted suicide different from murder. So, consent is eligible in both sexual manner and matter of existence. We didn't ask for animals' consent before raping or killing them.

[โ€“] sunsofold@lemmy.zip 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Assisted suicide is suicide, performed by the dying individual. Assisting in a suicide is enabling a killing, but is not murder if done correctly. The one performing suicide is the active party, not simply granting consent to the actions of another.

To bring things back to the original point, rape and murder are covered by different ethical principles. Consent has no bearing on murder. Consent is definitive for rape.

[โ€“] when@lemmy.world 0 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

In assisted suicide, people consent to die a dignified death on paper and after government's approval further medical procedures are performed by the professionals. I don't see any problem here. Similarly I would have no problem with humans killing animals if animals start consenting to be killed. That's not the case. Whole social acceptance of killing of innocent animals and condemnation of rape feels like a show were Murderers are pointing out fingers at the rapists with the sense of moral superiority.

[โ€“] sunsofold@lemmy.zip 1 points 8 hours ago

Assisted suicides do not consent to die. They request to die. They initiate the process themselves rather than allow the desire of others to dictate events. There is a subtle but important distinction.