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[–] impairedimperator@lemmy.zip -4 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Okay. Well, when this glorious mythic Revolution begins, we will see what happens. Until the second coming of the Revolution, were stuck in reality. Although it seems some of us might be stuck is a certain level of Revolution Revolution worship.

Revolution.

[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

See, because the anglosphere is drenched in leftover christian thought, and because liberals fundamentally have a magical view of the world and society, you see revolution as something akin to the rapture: some grand external event to be prayed for and waited on. Meanwhile, since communists have a scientific view of the world and society, we see revolution as a machine to be built. What you're doing is the equivalent of walking up to a shipyard and going "Pffft, good luck magically manifesting your glorious ships, idiot." Just a fundamental misunderstanding of how history develops. Movements just spontaneously arise at full strength out of nowhere in the movies and video games we all grew up on, so of course reality must work the same way, right?

You want to talk about "we're in reality"? Yeah, we're in the reality where the working class in many countries have already achieved the building of a revolution. That's a concrete fact, not some article of faith you can pessimistically handwave away to justify your continued murderous apathy. We live in reality, so roll up your sleeves and get to work with the rest of us.

[–] impairedimperator@lemmy.zip -4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Okay. Well, when all your hard work leads to actual tangible results that are better than the status quo, then we'll talk.

Until then, less blabbing and more sleeve rolling

[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

"Build a revolution for me and then I'll show up after"

Consumer brain is a disease on par with Alzheimer's. You'll never be anything but a dead weight to any social organization with that attitude. Look around yourself, opportunities to build have never been more abundant. I've helped create a recurring mutual aid event in the community where we exhange food, clothing and services, much of it homegrown and handmade. We have regular self defense training and educational lectures from people of different expertise. We're connected with the local ICE watch org, a growing anti data-center movement and Palestinian orgs for miles. We are beginning to host study sessions and draw up outlines for political education. We even have a direct member with a shot at city council, which would make our job even easier than it is now, which, I gotta tell you, is pretty easy these days. People are fucking done with all of it.

All of this and more can be yours. This is what I have achieved in less than one year of really, actively studying and trying after having spent the previous decade as a depressed addict. The only thing holding you back is this learned helplessness, this ingrained idea that someone else has to do it first because you are incapable.

[–] impairedimperator@lemmy.zip -4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Okay. I guess your world doesn't have a place for me then. If it's camps either way, I'd rather do it the easy way.

[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Hahaha holy shit dude what the fuck is wrong with you

Me: "You can actually build a better life with your friends and neighbors, here's what I've managed to achieve so far"

You: "Oh so you're gonna HUNT ME FOR SPORT? There's no PLACE for me in your SICK WORLD, huh? Guess I'll just support the camps then!"

[–] impairedimperator@lemmy.zip -2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I am glad that you were able to build a community of your friends and neighbors.

I do not have the time or resources to do so.

So you labeled that as me being a consumer brained idiot on par with Alzheimer's. Now you're surprised that my general demeanor towards you is negative?

[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 hours ago

I'm surprised you just openly declared your support for concentration camps, usually it takes more to get you guys to do that.

[–] ILikeToMeow@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

It wont just magically happen on it's own, if we only wait for it we are more likely to see the inside of a US death camp as the Capitalist rulling class is getting scared and desperate and have been laying the foundation for the people to be moved further into Fascism for a long time. It is possible only with our willingness to organise together within one or more (cooperating) Revolutionary Parties to learn and use Marxist Leninist Theory to slowly awaken Class Consciousness within the population and prepare the way for a successful Revolution supported by the newly awakened masses. This has succeeded many times already, even though the USSR unfortunately collapsed, Cuba, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, Vietnam, Laos, and the People's Republic of China are still standing against all the Capitalist Imperialist hostile odds, and China in particularly is more technologically and scientifically advanced then the US by now, and have provided enormous improvement to the lives of everyone they get involved with. It is why the Capitalist Imperialist "Core Countries" (Global North) are so desperate to smear them with endless lies and nonsense not based in reality or evidence, and the CIA/MI6/MOSSAD assert their control and spread such misinformation via "news" (Propaganda is basically just another name for this give or take), Hollywood, Social Media AI bots, Youtube algorithmic control, and even our very Video Games (do people believe Call of Duty is politically neutral).

With all of that they shape our very view of reality to make us support things against our own interests, and to avoid learning anything real about the countries that threaten Capital.

Edit: I was a little confusing about the point on propaganda, I mean that it is more or less another word for news, mostly involving the handing out of pamflets or leaflets, it has been twisted into being the same as saying "misinformation" very likely as a way of discrediting bottom up, glass roots style movements (what the working class has access to as a way of communicating among the populace) while leaving the Capitalists corporate "news" reputationally intact.