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The phenomenon of sovereign citizens persistently trying to win court cases with their principles, despite a lack of success, is indeed puzzling. On YouTube alone, there are around 5,000 videos showing sovereign citizens facing defeat in the courtroom. These individuals often make claims that have yet to prove successful and frequently end up incarcerated.

Why do people continue to adopt this seemingly futile approach? It's akin to watching 5,000 parachutists attempt a failed jump from the Eiffel Tower, only for newcomers to keep trying despite knowing, or perhaps ignoring, the inevitable outcome. Despite the growing pile of mangled bodies at the base of the tower, every day people decide to climb up and try for themselves.

The dedication of these individuals is noteworthy; they invest a great deal of time mastering the intricacies of their "sovereign" defense. Yet, it seems that they dedicate little time to researching previous legal outcomes or understanding why their arguments haven't held up in court historically.

What drives this persistence? Is it a deep-seated belief system that overrides rational analysis, or is there another factor at play that encourages them to keep going despite overwhelming evidence of failure?

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[–] Hegar@fedia.io 7 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Sin is never a sufficient explanation for human behavior. Meaning anytime we think "it's because they are bad", we're missing something big.

All behavior is an attempt to meet needs. Any correct explanation of behavior identifies the need and how the behavior is believed to meet it.

They may not be smart, on average as a group. But that's not why they keep doing this.

[–] trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I never said anything about sin. The whole concept of sin is religious bullshit anyway, of which the existence can be explained the same way as OP's question. People are idiots. They either are incapable of thinking or unwilling to do so.

[–] Hegar@fedia.io 1 points 8 hours ago

sin is religious bullshit anyway

Yep, that's why I used the word.

Suggesting that "people are idiots" actually explains behavior is just like believing in sin - it's just giving up on understanding reality. It makes as much sense as a right wing christian trying explain away their opponents as sinners.

[–] cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

They keep doing this because there are scammers and grifters getting rich pushing this content to lots and lots and lots of people because of the view-based revenue they get from doing it and big tech's algorithms reward it with more views and more success. And sometimes they also get rich taking some of those people's money, specifically the dumb and desperate and paranoid delusional people who are terrified of "the man" and the government and think they have found the secret cheat code of avoiding government.

People do it because they're dumb, but they're dumb because it gets shown and promoted specifically to them over and over again because Google et al have gotten really good at identifying people susceptible to nonsense and constantly shoving things like this down their throats until their brains literally rot. As the saying goes, "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." And big tech keeps doing that, individually and specifically, to many people including children, possibly without even any particular intention to cause harm besides the idea that it will keep them watching even more videos and earning even more ad revenue. Even giving them the benefit of the doubt that they are not intentionally causing harm, their apathy and apologism for the harm they are causing is horrific and unforgivable and sovereign citizens are just one of many highly destructive content funnels that modern algorithms empirically promote.

Content discovery is utterly toxic and it is literally, not exaggerating at all, destroying civilization.

[–] darko8472@feddit.uk 8 points 1 day ago

You can be smart, but still be an idiot.