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Electric toothbrushes are genuinely better for toothbrushing, though.
Yeah, one of the few electrified versions of traditional products that genuinely has a good reason to be electrified. There's a lot of evidence showing they're way better at cleaning your teeth than a regular toothbrush.
Anecdotally, after using an electric tooth brush, using a "normal" toothbrush leaves my teeth feeling fuzzy not matter how well I brush.
Also, it used to be that my teeth would feel super clean and smooth after the dentist. I barely notice the difference anymore because my electric toothbrush does such a good job.
are you putting alot of pressure on it, you get use to it after a few uses. i felt wierd after using sonic for the ifrst time, but after a few uses your gums and teeth desensitizes to it. unless you are somehow trying to brush your gums.
I barely notice the difference between my hygienist and my manual toothbrush
Not really that much difference if you brush correctly
actually there is a huge difference, studies shown that electric both sonic and rotating heads are superior to manual brushing. and plus people brush too hard with manual ones, the electric ones have sensors for pressure, often time they dont brush long enough as well with manul ones.
I was not able to find anything properly proving that proper tooth brushing cannot be achieved with a normal toothbrush. Dentists usually should tell you if you are brushing too hard or missing spots. If you follow this advice, the same amount of cleaning can be achieved without spending as much as you need to for an electric toothbrush.
And for the issue of brushing too short or too long. A toothbrush telling you is not better than just setting a timer but way more expensive...
Or have Parkinson's.
Never ever had a dentist recommend an electric toothbrush to me. Why is that? 🤷♂️
my most recent one did, but my dentist from another provider dint 10+years ago, i had really bad teeth because manuals just dont clean as well.
Are we sure it wasn't due to technique though?
I genuinely don't know, because every dentist I've ever had has recommended electric. There are studies as well. I'm not trying to say your teeth aren't immaculate because I don't know you, but for the average person electric toothbrushes are better, sincerely.
This is def the case for me. I used to bring the old fashioned toothbrushes for camping (well, for any travel). I noticed a HUGE difference when I'd get home again.
Now I just bring the normal toothbrush. The battery lasts long enough for most trips that it's fine.
For camping, as you have the iO heads already, get a iO series 2 body as they use the older motor but new heads and the battery lasts about 20 days. Way longer than other iO series bodies. It's not as good as those either but for camping, meh.
Also, you can buy USB-plugged oral B chargers. Useful for travel
I believe you, but I'm also interested in the studies, how much worth it it actually is.
Like, is it worth it because people in general have poor brushing technique and the electric brush "solves" this just by how it works, or is it better even with proper brushing technique with manual brush?
Those are some of the questions I have. 😁
Here's just one of said studies. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3652371/
From that study:
LOL! I do not think that means what they thought it means. Kinda hard to keep the participants from knowing which study group they're in.
Still, interesting setup. 60 dental students makes sure that the control group brushing manually is doing so with proper technique. They were getting the best-case scenario for manual brushing.
Can it not still be double blind if the participants don't know precisely what is being measured or studied? For example, perhaps they know they are involved in a toothbrush study, but not that one group will have different brushes, or precisely what measurements are being taken.
No. Double blind means that both the researchers and the participants don't know who is in which group (control group or experimental group). The idea is to avoid spoiling studies with the placebo effect.
It's kind of hard to avoid knowing that you're in the control group when you're being asked to brush with an old-fashioned toothbrush instead of an electric one.
Decided to do some reading!
So double blind doesn't have to mean the researchers or even the participants were blinded, just that two parties were.
In this specific study, I think it's that the data analysts were not aware of which groups the data came from.
Huh, that doesn't match my understanding (TBF I don't work in the field).
Looking again at the study... Dr. Jain had a second person split the students into two groups. I'm not sure whether she conducted the followup exams or had yet another person do that. Assuming that the students were strict about not talking about which toothbrush they were using, I suppose you could call it a 'blinded' experiment. I don't really see how you could double it, though.
Because you have a shit dentist. I've had them recommended to me by my dentist for at least 25 years.
See my other comment. It's not just one.
Maybe you have problems that a change of toothbrush ain't gonna fix.
Excuse me? Can you elaborate on this comment? Because it sounds to me like you are actually resorting to ad hominems right now, in a calm and non-polarized discussion about toothbrushes.
Please tell me I've misunderstood.
Oh gosh no, not doing that at all. I was just suggesting that maybe you're not getting recommended to use an electric toothbrush because you might have other teeth issues that may not be fixed by an electric toothbrush (like weak enamel or damaged teeth), or won't benefit from it at least.
😆👍 My bad, I thought it did sound weird that you'd do that, so I wanted to double-check. Sorry!
Yeah, I don't know, I don't think so. I don't have any issues other than the one cavity I got as a teenager some twenty odd years ago. So my deduction from this alone is that the toothbrush itself isn't the biggest factor, but rather how you brush.
Could be wrong though of course. I need to take a look at some studies to determine if they accounted for brushing technique and other factors.
Shitty dentist 🤷♂️
There's been plenty. Dentists, dental hygienists, it's been almost 4 decades and no-one has recommended it, so I don't think it's that. They have, however, shown me how I should use a normal, manual toothbrush most effectively, and I've followed that advice to success. Haven't had a cavity since my first cavity as a teenager, it's been over 20 years since then.
Are y'all based in America? I bet dentists there are paid to endorse the electric toothbrush industry there. But maybe not.
Maybe there are scientific studies that show that electric toothbrushes are objectively better for dental and oral health? If so, I'd love to see them and maybe I'll consider getting one.
For now, I'm just sick of having yet another thing that has a damn battery that needs to be charged god-damnit.
Probably an American thing, many of the dentists I've had tried to sell me an electric toothbrush. I claim I already have one (which I do, I just prefer not to use it).
they never sell, but they always reccommend it buying it online or in store, they arnt financially benfitting from it, at leas the most recent ones. dentist will know if your manual brushing isnt sufficient enough, despite you using a proper technique.
The dentists my insurance will cover are the national chains, and they are always trying to tack on an extra $85 for whatever brand electric toothbrush they're peddling. They'll even say I'm doing fine with brushing, but still recommend it, and have the receptionist ask while I'm scheduling my next cleaning.
Never had a dentist try to sell me a toothbrush. In fact, I get given a manual one every time I leave. Which I use for cleaning around the taps in the bathroom. But they are always glad I'm using an electric brush. My kids (both under 10) use them too, after they learnt how to do it manually properly (just in case).
Not American btw.
Could you share a bit about why you prefer not to use it? 🙏
I find I brush more thouroughly with a manual brush and spend more time than when using a powered one. I think it's probably more a "what I'm used to" situation where the electric brushes are a bit overstimulating and I forget to keep them charged.
I see, yeah. Thanks for sharing!
It's a little frightening how plausible this is. And yes, I'm American.
😅 I know right. I don't want to bet a fortune on it, willing to give the benefit of the doubt, but I'd still put a little bit on it. 🫣
No bet.
Very cool story about his you choose to code in PHP because it's totally as good as everything else if you know what your doing 🙄
Hey, I actually liked PHP back when I was working in it.
People have lots of criticisms for it, and -- yes, they're all true. I still enjoyed working in the language back in the day.
Sorry, what?
He said that the toothbrush should be developed in C++, which it probably is already.
I'm a programmer by trade and I still have no idea what this thread derailed into.
I guess the other guy answered in a wrong thread. What is true is that most embedded systems I have worked on used C++. Could be the same for those electric toothbrushes.
Still though, I have no idea of the relevance in the thread. 😆 Gotta be a mis-reply for sure. Or I'm whooshing on the whole thing.