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Help Me Understand The Proton Hate... (lemmy.ml)

submitted 4 days ago by pyramidengine@lemmy.ml to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

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I've been a paid Proton Unlimited customer for several years now and aside from a few small complaints, I'm generally very happy with the services I'm paying for. I agree that there is too much focus on "sidequests" like Wallet and Meet before core products are fully rebuilt and meeting expectations. I agree that Linux versions and some feature implementations are taking a long time. However, I have a fully functioning suite of Mail, Drive, VPN, Calendar and more that meet 95% of my needs. To be fair, I'm sure the zero-access/zero-knowledge encryption aspect makes development much more difficult.

If you're worried about political affiliations/interests, I'll give you that Andy Yen has made a few worrisome comments. I'm not sure what to do there. Assuming there aren't repeat occurrences, I'm satisfied with their statement about the French political figure sponsorship.

If it's the FBI cases and subpoenas, it comes down to understanding the difference between privacy and anonymity, and knowing what strategy is required to achieve actual anonymity.

So why (especially on Lemmy) is there so much Proton hate/relunctancy? Eager to hear some non-biased, fact-driven thoughts here!

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[–] utopiah@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Because most of what you said is true but Lemmy is, unlike the most popular platforms, full of very selective individual. The overton window is different here than the mainstream. We half very different threshold and here in the Privacy community even more so on that topic. It might be "good enough" for most but if it's not entirely open source, or rather free software, and with reproducible builds, and self-hostable, and federated, and built by people with impeccable background, and.. and... and.... that starts to be quite a bit.

I said this in numerous other posts, IMHO what matters is doing better, not "best" that unattainable. For some people Proton is better than what they had until now, e.g. GMail, but for others who move away from GMail to Proton and now self-host, it's not good enough anymore.

So it depends on where you are on a multidimensional spectrum that is unique to your needs.

[–] birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Not exactly. The overton window here is normal, it's rather others that often have an extremely warped view, being indoctrinated to worship impoverishing themselves, to support oligarchs and surveillance capitalism.

[–] utopiah@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's not my understanding of the definition of the Overton window. If I check Wikipedia it's about mainstream, "The Overton window is the range of subjects and arguments politically acceptable to the mainstream population at a given time." which is precisely why I contrasted our own "local" Overton window to the "normal" mainstream one. Also "normal" means what is now the norm, it's now about what's "right" or "wrong".

Sure I would prefer our local Overton window here in the Privacy community of Lemmy to be the "normal" one, the mainstream one, and I do how it is shifting this way, but until they actually match, if they ever do (which I doubt) then I think it's important to distinguish what we want versus what is.

[–] birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Well, I don't care. If the "mainstream" has radicalised to supporting fascism (while we have not), it's not the mainstream that's normal, but us. It's on them to normalise.

[–] utopiah@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago

So... how can we help them?