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[–] Shimitar@downonthestreet.eu 11 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Yes. Provided you find a phone that can unlock the bootloader and you are fine in losing banking app, government issued apps and such amenities....

Given that Samsung and Xiaomi doesn't let you unlock anymore.... Unless you are ok giving money to Google to buy a pixel, new or used, there are really little choices currently. Nothing phones, a few motorola (hit and miss...).

For example, we have digital ID that you can load on the phone your ID card and driving license, which is not allowed on unlocked phones. Also, McDonald app doesn't work on unlocked phones ...

So good luck hoping people will use custom Roms, even less than before. Google is fucking us a small step a time.

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

For example, we have digital ID that you can load on the phone your ID card and driving license, which is not allowed on unlocked phones.

Yeah that's a problem, one only you and your government can fix, but it is indeed an issue.

Also, McDonald app doesn't work on unlocked phones ...

My brother the McDonald app is spyware, it only exists to sell your data to brokers who sell it to advertisers and the NSA. If you're just going to install spyware anyway there's no purpose to switch to a custom ROM. Is all your message data, files, etc, really worth $1.00 off a McChicken?

[–] benjirenji@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Just lock the bootloader again? I don't have Google on my Android and can use banking apps and most others that don't have a hard requirements on some Google API.

[–] Willdrick@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Most phones can't even relock the bootloader. And newer Samsung ones can't even get flashed. Recent updates removed even the ability to flash a custom recovery

[–] benjirenji@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Vote with your wallets. You don't own your Samsung devices.

[–] Willdrick@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

Its not much of a vote if they change the conditions after casting it. I was on a note 10+ running lineageos just fine, got the opportunity to "upgrade" to this s22 ultra for free, and got screwed over by Samsung not even a month later

[–] definitemaybe@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's easy enough to work around most of it, with web apps. You can even install them to have separate icons. Granted, there are some things that are impossible, like digital ID, but there aren't any that fundamentally affect phone usability, for my personal use.

What's holding me up is work stuff. I get a stipend to have a work phone, so I just use my personal device, but I'm getting a separate device for work soon so I can cut out everything Google/Microsoft on me personal device. Digital control and privacy matters.

[–] Shimitar@downonthestreet.eu 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

No. You cannot. The digital id I was referring to can be activated only via app, and banking apps are mandatory. You can do web banking paying an additional fee and using sms authentication, but as I said it's an additional fee. Maybe worth paying for, ymmv.

But the real practical of the digital id is that I will never be (again) fined for driving without a driving license with me because I always have my phone with me. I usually have also my real driving license, but sometimes I leave the wallet home or whatever.

It's just practical stuff, you can do without, but why should I.

[–] definitemaybe@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What banks charge fees for web banking!? That doesn't make a lick of sense, imho... That incentivizes using much-more-expensive in-person banking.

Also, even if there are some banks that don't have web banking, it's easy enough to switch banks (at least, in the countries I know about). Some people even regularly cycle through institutions to get sign-on bonuses a couple times each year.

But, yes. It's less convenient to use platforms that respect privacy, and requires some trade-offs.

[–] dontfearthereaper123@ani.social 1 points 8 hours ago

They incentivize using the app not the web banking thus they can track u more.

[–] Tangent5280@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What digital ID app are you talking about? Only one I could find references of online was "DigiLocker"

[–] Shimitar@downonthestreet.eu 1 points 1 day ago

It's called IO

[–] ITGuyLevi@programming.dev 7 points 1 day ago

I'd rather not be able to have a digital ID on my phone if I have to allow a company full access to scan my stuff, how do I know they won't delete my ID at some point and just say it is what it is?

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

so you're selling your right to privacy and choice for the convenience of a...banking app?

you sound like a cheap date. wanna go grab some food from the dumpsters behind Arby's?

[–] noughtnaut@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Please don't underestimate how fucked "modern" citizens are. Privacy is no longer an easy choice.

You might see a banking app (including phone-based payments, using the phone as a card or using a payment app) as mere convenience, and to a large degree it is, but aside from that there are also national ID apps that are simply impossible to live without in some EU countries. There are exceptions for seniors and disabled folk, but even they miss out on some critical social access that's just not realistic for eg. parents of school-age children.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

the day I have to have a phone for an ID is the day I stop having a cellphone.

I already get wild looks when I tell people I don't have a Facebook. I can only imagine their heads exploding when I say I don't have a phone.

[–] noughtnaut@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Sure, you can not have a cell phone. Then you also can't communicate with your kids' teachers, or receive communication from them. Which will have.... other consequences.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

Then you also can't communicate with your kids' teachers, or receive communication from them.

already there. I either talk to them directly or email them. no biggie.

[–] Shimitar@downonthestreet.eu -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well, seems I am not a privacy freak and I like to live my life as I see fit. Yet, my back knows everything about my life already so

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 2 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

it has nothing to do with your bank and everything to do with the company your bank used to whitelabel their app.

most banking apps are from a handful of companies. those companies scrape you for as much data as they can and sell it to other companies.

things like, balance, location, proximity to points of interest, length of time spent in points of interest, etc.

so you might be thinking you're just in bed with your bank, but your bank turned out the lights and has a camera streaming your private information to the highest bidder.

[–] Shimitar@downonthestreet.eu 2 points 22 hours ago

Well, thank you for letting me know, I guess my data is the price for that commodity.

At the end of the day life is one and there are other hills I am willing to die on rather than this one.