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Donald Trump’s declaration at the NATO summit that the U.S. had returned to war with Iran didn’t lead to the usual gasping allies or perplexed officials.

If anything, it cemented Europe’s increasing reliance on itself.

As motorcades sped out of Ankara’s presidential place and down the barricaded streets ringing the Turkish capital on Wednesday, a half-dozen European officials said the ceasefire’s end only stiffened their resolve to be less dependent on the American militarily and stand alone.

“After seeing what’s happening in Iran and Ukraine, we first of all, have to build our own military might, and then everybody will respect us: Americans, Russians, Iranians or Chinese,” said a European official. “The more muscles you have, the less political anger you show.”

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[–] Shellofbiomatter@lemmus.org 27 points 2 days ago (33 children)

Respect might not be the most suitable word for this. But enemy being afraid to hit you if you have a big enough stick does work. Nuclear weapons have been the best peacekeepers since the invention of those. Being part of NATO is probably the one and only reason why russia attacked Ukraine instead of Baltics.

And when the attack happens, it's good to have a functional military industrial complex at our back supporting us instead of becoming forest brothers again.

[–] LeoDalPozzo@infosec.pub -2 points 2 days ago (30 children)

This is an incredibly dangerous way of thinking. This kind of mentality allowed two world wars to happen. Stop looking at geopolitics like if it was a football game. It's not the politicians dragging us into war, it's common people giving for assumed war is inevitable. You all will be the world's distruction once again. It's really insane how humans have the tendency to repeat history despite having knowledge of it.

[–] thelittleblackbird@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

The alternative if somebody attacks you is to surrender and/or be defeated.

And usually the losers have to repay the legit war, so your life is going to chango to the worse by a a lot...

[–] LeoDalPozzo@infosec.pub -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

War is not a video game or a movie. You are banalizing an extremely complex subject.

[–] thelittleblackbird@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I have the impression you don't know in which world you live.

Nobody is banalizing anything, without an army you are simply a passive subject subjected to external forces.

Palestine, Venezuela, Ukraine, Libia, Syria...

You know why those countries are in chaos and however north korea isn't?

You should think about the world again

[–] LeoDalPozzo@infosec.pub 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe i don't, but what i learned in these years of studying history and military history tends to conflict to people's opinion when it's based on very strong feelings and not much more.

[–] thelittleblackbird@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago

Please, develop that idea.

I fail to see the connection with our discussion

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