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[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 192 points 19 hours ago (4 children)

How can we make that sooner?

[–] droopy4096@lemmy.ca 38 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

use their cheapest plan, burn their tokens, burn the hole in their budget. could backfire though as then "clever analysts" will claim that demand is up and eager bankers will shell out more cash

[–] morto@piefed.social 3 points 5 hours ago

That would definitely backfire. The best approach against any corporation is not to use them and let their name be forgotten, therefore, the shares losing value and becoming less and less attractive to investors

[–] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 10 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Why burn tokens when datacenters are much more flammable

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 hours ago

Start with the gas turbines

[–] RedstoneValley@sh.itjust.works 36 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Or educate the people around you that "AI" is not the magical fairy dust machine that can do anything imaginable. Might be better than giving them any money at all.

[–] DevDave@piefed.social 6 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

The people actively using AI are not an issue of lacking education on how bad it is. Just a quick example is of an upper management asshole who absolutely "loves" AI. Reality is they shit out slop but their direct reports undo the damage to protect their jobs. I know of more than a few developers in a tough spot where they are credit card slaves so work invisible overtime to compensate. They did this to themselves and are trapped in AI hell.

[–] RedstoneValley@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (3 children)

Interesting perspective. Software development works different where I come from, the dev part is still very much in control of the developers themselves. However the management lives in delusionville and the expectations are pretty much insane compared to the reality of the actual turnout. My comment above was more about educating the general public... AI results can look pretty compelling unless you decide to have a closer look, and a lot of non-dev people are falling for it. Either because they are dumb and gullible, lack analytic thinking or because they have no real contact with AI and are just exposed to the hype through the media.

[–] DevDave@piefed.social 2 points 4 hours ago

Adjacent comment: Using the electrician analogy, AI is like one of those really cool gadgets you see on Temu that don't actually do half of what they claim and will probably burn the building down. Another analogy is AI are like Roomba's: they kinda work, take forever to finish, clog up easily, and are guaranteed to miss a lot of stuff.

[–] kewjo@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

it's one of those things that people need to ask about things they are an expert at so they can understand how valuable the results really are.

[–] DevDave@piefed.social 1 points 4 hours ago

I was a software consultant with "architect"* experience for the last 10 years of my career or whatever you want to call it. 50~80% of my job was basically saying the same thing their in house developers were saying. Maybe the other half was pushing tech stack upgrades (CVS -> SVN -> Git/Perforce ), (CGI to basically anything else), etc etc. My least favorite role was being a hatchet man, eg one of the Bobs from office space.

Professionally I used a shit ton of analogies and metaphors. Absolute most effective was comparing new feature development to an electrician adding a new light or receptacle. You may find you need to upgrade the service panel (database or other services), it can take time to pull new lines and doing so can interfere with existing equipment. Finally you can only pull so many new cables through an existing building before you need to do necessary cleanups and rearrangements (eg refactoring). Failing to do so may lead to brown outs (crashes) or the entire building catching on fire (eg Microsoft Dumpster Fire 11). Last bit is you can help explain the complexity of a feature as top floor, mid level, or basement (eg "soonish").

* Architect title/role was something I would try my best to bury. The companies that needed an Architect only figure that out when they discover MS Access DB isn't going to work /s but only a little bit. Also what the fuck is an "Architect", its not like any of our titles have any national standards.

This video is kind of triggering my deep seated hatred of MBA's but if you ever want to explain to the normies what your job is like, "The Expert" https://youtu.be/BKorP55Aqvg is perfect.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 2 points 11 hours ago

The most expensive plan gets you more tokens per unit of currency actually (10x cost for 20x usage), but it's pretty expensive and there's not actual guarantee that they're still losing money on your subscription in 2026 and as you pointed out, being able to show demand and MRR will get them more loans.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 10 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Get a sniper rifle and shoot their generators.

[–] Don_alForno@feddit.org 8 points 14 hours ago

Nah. They lose money every time you use their shitty services. Sabotage would actually improve their cashflow.

[–] neutronbumblebee@mander.xyz 13 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

Look to your superannuation plan. Most providers have a conservative plan that's little or no shares. If lots of people transfer the message will be loud and clear. At that point the markets will dump AI and things will eventually normalize. I suspect this is already where the elite have their money, given the present warnings.

[–] fizzle@quokk.au 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Nah.

The more people divest the more appealing these investments are.

[–] neutronbumblebee@mander.xyz 5 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

So more AI losses per investor. Shares are just like card collecting it only goes up if the demand is increasing. Right now I suspect it's reached maximum insanity and is ripe for a correction.

[–] fizzle@quokk.au 3 points 14 hours ago

That's not true.

It can feel that way when you think as shares as numbers on a computer but they represent a share in the ownership of a country and presumably that ownership is actually worth something.

If no one wants to invest because of the vibe, then you can buy the shares for a bargain.

Maybe it's a bit like buying a house where someone was murdered. If you don't care about the vibe then the reduced demand means you can get a bargain.

You can argue the shares are grossly overvalued, and that may be true, but my point is that shares have an intrinsic value and if demand reduces it increases the appeal to other investors.

[–] john_t@piefed.ee 2 points 15 hours ago

I'm sure the big players are betting Trump will bailout AI companies. They don't have to worry. So they keep pumping the share prices.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 3 points 19 hours ago

Only by using a significant amount of power and water