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[–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 79 points 14 hours ago (6 children)

In case anyone’s not clear as to why: Sony has announced that they’ll stop producing discs and that they can take your content at any time for any reason.

Historically, Steam has promised they will never do that and will offer DRM-free (clarification: they’ll remove the Steam DRM) downloads.

Also, all of them have jacked prices up. Xbox, PlayStation, and Steam have raised hardware prices around 35-40%. However, Steam runs on PCs they don’t sell, as well as Macs, and they have a Linux distribution they provide for free called Steam OS.

[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 29 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (2 children)

Steam has promised they will never do that

Can you give us a credible source? I want it to be true, but I don't want my only source to be hearsay.

[–] justdaveisfine@piefed.social 8 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

If you reach out to Steam support, you'll get a response like this.

(Not my support ticket, this was stolen from Reddit)

But who knows what measures are in place and if that would include all games.

Edit: I'm dumb and misread the convo. My response is about if Steam went away, you would still be able to access your games but the convo is about would Steam remove games from your library.

[–] Elting@piefed.social 19 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

I have never seen anyone back that claim up, despite it being a very popular one to make. People like to pretend they own their steam games but until that gets enforced by law; you don't.

[–] GreyEyedGhost@piefed.ca 7 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (2 children)

You don't own any software! All software is licensed, yes, even FOSS software. The only software you own in a traditional sense is public domain which not only is a vanishingly small portion of software made, but is also a category that is difficult or impossible for software to be made a part of, depending on the laws in your country.

This is no different for Steam vs. anywhere else you can buy games, even with physical copies. The only benefit of physical copies is that it's much harder to remove access to those games after you purchase the license, unless there is online activation or DRM.

Edit: I should clarify the only other software you own is the software you create or paid to have created. Then you can license its use for others, or not, as you choose. So MS owns Windows, and I own some small number of applications I've created, and other companies or individuals own the software they produced. But none of that has any bearing on games on Steam or anywhere else where you're spending money to get access to a copy of a game.

[–] Elting@piefed.social 6 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Tekinukly. Software might still come with a license, but that license has no teeth without some form of DRM. This is a stupid way to try justifying the DRM steam has. In all practicality, you own whats downloaded to your drives without DRM.

[–] GreyEyedGhost@piefed.ca 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I already addressed that. Steam has DRM, because Steam wouldn't exist without it, and the physical copies publishers sold instead would still have DRM. There are DRM-free games on Steam - they don't require publishers to use it. Direct your ire where it belongs.

[–] Elting@piefed.social 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe it is better expressed as degree of control you have over the data on your drive, disk, whatever. When you choose to buy a game from steam, especially if it is on a website like GOG, you are choosing to have less control over your data. With large companies like Sony moving towards anti-consumer practices, it isn’t wise to believe that valve would never do the same.

[–] GreyEyedGhost@piefed.ca 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

As Gabe said, piracy is'nt a pricing issue, it's a service issue. This problem has been addressed before and it will be again, if need be.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

And Gabe can have a accident or a heart attack tomorrow and die and then it's not a benevolent autocrat that controls your game collection anymore ...

[–] GreyEyedGhost@piefed.ca 1 points 4 hours ago

And his point will still stand.

[–] rtxn@lemmy.world -2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

The ESA won't thank you for spreading their rhetoric, you know.

[–] GreyEyedGhost@piefed.ca 6 points 9 hours ago

I would think that the ESA would be happy for free support of their opinion. Unfortunately, the law is on their side. If you don't like it, you have two options: try to change it or pretend it isnt true. One is easier, and I suspect both are about as likely to change things.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 hours ago

I want to say I read it in an interview like 15-20 years ago

[–] FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 15 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Valve has not jacked up prices: Their game prices have been consistently among the cheapest and the only reason their hardware is expensive now is because part manufacturers are mostly price gouging (lying about AI being the cause of ALL the increased costs, which isn't true, just like it wasn't entirely true with the bitcoin mining craze).

It's also worth pointing out that Valve has made massive contributions to Linux gaming (and Linux in general), which enables people to game on potato-spec machines and compared to other gaming platforms, they are far better than almost all of them except for GOG.

[–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Well, if the Steam Deck hasn't gone up in price where you're at, you might wanna buy a couple. Keep them sealed, you can sell them for a profit later. Most places, they've gone up quite a bit.

[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

Being a scalper on the internet? It's more likely than you think

[–] FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 4 points 9 hours ago

The cost of making the Steam Deck has gone up. Valve can't sell them at a massive loss or they'll go out of business. That's not Valve jacking up the price, like I already pointed out:

Go re-read my post, because you clearly missed an important part

the only reason their hardware is expensive now is because part manufacturers are mostly price gouging (lying about AI being the cause of ALL the increased costs, which isn't true, just like it wasn't entirely true with the bitcoin mining craze).

Building a PC for yourself has skyrocketed in price too, blaming Valve is just ridiculous and anyone making that argument is just showing everyone that they are wildly ignorant.

[–] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 5 points 10 hours ago

and that they can take your content at any time for any reason.

Its less that they can and more that they definitely will. The fact that they can has been fear-mongered and pearl-clutched over since the dawn of online sales.

Until now its been handwaved away as obviously nobody would actually shoot themselves in the fucking face like that. But then they did.

[–] magikmw@piefed.social 17 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

DRM is up to publishers, not Steam. Valve doesn't enforce or require it, and it's unlikely publishers would lift DRM from their games because Valve asked.

[–] Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Steam does have a DRM mechanism - it's optional and easy to circumvent, but it's there

[–] magikmw@piefed.social 8 points 8 hours ago

Yes, and Steam doesn't force it on a publisher. They can opt out.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)
[–] magikmw@piefed.social 7 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Not by my definition. Not in the same way as denuvo or dvd movie drm is.

[–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

It is in the sense that you can't play the games without it.

[–] magikmw@piefed.social 8 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

You can. Many of steam games you can just archive or copy over somewhere else and they'll still work just fine.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

And you can get a crack for most DRM out there (nowadays, even Denuvo).

Being weak and possible to work around for those with sufficient technical skill doesn't make it any less a DRM.

Steam's DRM is clearly only trying to stop the people with average and below technical skills from installing and running the games outside steam, not trying to stop the people with higher technical expertise from going around it (and in fact if you use something like the Goldberg Emulator there are even more games which can be made to run outside Steam than just the "many" you talk about).

By comparison the no-DRM posture you see in with GOG is not only "here are the offline installers to download" directly from the page for the game in your library but even "CONTRACTUALLY game publishers cannot sell games here with ANY DRM".

"The rules are there but we don't enforce them" is a very different posture from "we make sure there are no such rules".

[–] bitfucker@programming.dev 3 points 2 hours ago

No, cracking the game vs just copying the downloaded file is not equivalent. How did you not see that? With copying the file it means the original file is already DRM free and does not require steam. So steam is just a glorified downloader and launcher in that sense

[–] RedIce25@lemmy.world 15 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (2 children)

Even if Valve promised DRM-free downloads if they go belly up there's no chance in hell they'll ever actually do that

[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I've heard it requires a DLL to disable steams basic drm, and it's been that way for 20+ years.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 5 hours ago

You can do this right now with the Goldberg Emulator, but it doesn't work well for games which are deeply integrated with Steam's API (for example, to do things like Cloud Saves).

[–] FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 6 points 9 hours ago

Why do you think that? Turning off DRM would be trivial and they might even end up being legally obligated to do just that either because of laws or because of how whatever hypothetical bankruptcy they go through might be structured. Never mind Valve going belly up seems highly unlikely to begin with. If it does ever happen and it happens in the way you describe, piracy will absolutely skyrocket and people will stop buying games online after they've had their trust shaken.

[–] Tango@piefed.ca 1 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

How have Epic and GOG been faring?

[–] Quazatron@lemmy.world 9 points 9 hours ago

Epic is run by an idiot.

GOG had its ups and downs, but I've been able to build a sizeable library there.

[–] qaeta@lemmy.ca 8 points 9 hours ago

GoG appears to be around 2.5% market share as of November 2025. For contrast, Steam is around 75%.

Frankly, I don't give a shit about Epic Games. Tim Sweeney can go suck-start a shotgun for all I care, complete piece of shit human being.