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[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (8 children)

that's fucked up considering China still has millions of Uyghurs in what's generously considered ghettos.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 hours ago
[–] Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

You mean the US doesn't have ghettos where they put their poor black people?

Does China also put them in prison labour camps?

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

poor black people live in ghettos because of the wealth divide, not because they are black.

like to point out there are plenty of Hispanic, Asian, and white people who also live in ghettos. you didn't mention those though... probably because it didn't fit your narrative.

you could have taken the low hanging fruit and mentioned how ICE is currently kidnapping people and sending them to blacksites for extraction. you didn't because it doesn't fit your narrative.

China has been oppressing Uyghurs since before 2009. not because they are poor. not because they are Muslim. not because they aren't "Chinese". they do it because Uyghurs refuse conformity to Chinese culture.

why do you think they called them "reeducation camps" at first?

[–] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Dude the us is supporting israel and before you whatabout me this is literally a comparison between the two countries, there's nothing china does that's worse than the US even if they both suck.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 4 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

what about Israel!?

no whatabouting!

pick one.

[–] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 0 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I'm saying I'm whatabouting because it's a comparison, I'm saying don't bother saying I'm whatabouting because this is a camparison between the two countries. The point of whataboutism is that you shouldn't downplay the crimes of a country based on the crimes of another. In this case that doesn't apply because the whole point of this post IS THE COMPARISON. You have fundamentally misunderstood the issue with whataboutism.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 0 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

don't do what I did

do what I tell you

so you're gaslighting me now?

You lack reading comprehension, I said don't bother saying I'm whatabouting when the point is the comparison. Not don't bother replying with whataboutism yourself.

[–] BillyClark@piefed.social 31 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Probably foreign countries are comparing the US and China's foreign policies. China is going to exert economic control internationally. The US does that, too, but is also starting wars and generally strong-arming everybody because our current administration doesn't know how to do anything else.

[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 7 points 21 hours ago

Tbf, China's been pushing for military control across the entire South China Sea, threatening the territorial waters of neighboring countries. Plus they've been a constant threat to Taiwan, and might still try to invade them in the next few years.

That's not to belittle the provlems that the US has, just pointing out that China's hands aren't clean, they're just at a smaller scale and better at framing it

[–] silentjohn@lemmy.ml 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

This has been thoroughly debunked. The one main woman who claims she saw abuses, changes her story every year (and now claims that she didn't actually witness any abuse lol). Every other news "source" just cites her and a handful of anti-communist funded media outlets.

funny how people deny the Gaza genocide (with literal live streaming evidence of people getting bombed and cities getting destroyed) and believe in a "Uyghur genocide" with absolutely ZERO evidence, zero pictures, zero satellite imagery, nothing, zilch.

https://lemmygrad.ml/post/1028893

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world -2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

wow, I had no idea one could cram so much nothing into so many words.

let me reduce down what you said to make it easier for normal people to understand.

I'm a liar and I have no sources for the lies I spread.

[–] silentjohn@lemmy.ml 0 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

You just refuse to read because it challenges your bias.

https://lemmygrad.ml/post/1028893

Copy and pasting another reply on reddit:

The original “evidence” of 1 million Uyghurs being sent to concentration camps original stems from US propaganda outlets,Washington-backed NGO claims millions detained after interviewing eight people,While CHRD states that it interviewed dozens of ethnic Uyghurs in the course of its study, their enormous estimate was ultimately based on interviews with exactly eight Uyghur individuals: https://thegrayzone.com/2019/12/21/china-detaining-millions-uyghurs-problems-claims-us-ngo-researcher/

The Keriya Aitika Mosque that was claimed in 2018 to be demolished is actually still there. They were merely renovating, albeit most buildings surrounding the mosque was replaced with newer/bigger ones as Xinjiang is developing incredibly fast. https://medium.com/@sunfeiyang/the-case-of-the-keriya-aitika-mosque-efa29e456339

The often used picture of Uyghurs dressed uniformly lined up sitting in a re-education camp actually comes from an early 2017 picture of regular prisoners in Xinjiang listening to a public speech in a regular jail. It wasn't just prisoners who listened to the speech. https://web.archive.org/web/20180820154817/https://baijiahao.baidu.com/s?id=1564669932542581&wfr=spider&for=pc (scroll down to the middle to see the picture).

The video of a supposed Uyghur being beaten for having a copy of a Quaran, was actually an Indonesian police beating a pickpocket. The police was discharged afterwards. https://factcheck.afp.com/no-not-video-chinese-soldier-beating-uighur-muslim-having-copy-koran

Some pictures of Uyghurs in Chinese detention camps, including that of a crying child, are pictures edited from protests, people rescued from human trafficking, and Uyghurs protesting outside in 2009 as a result of a riot that killed 156 people. https://factcheck.afp.com/these-photos-show-protests-istanbul-and-xinjiang-and-migrant-shelter-thailand

Claim of a Chinese police officer strangling a Uyghur woman caught praying is actually a video of the police officer restraining a violent drunk woman in 2018. https://factcheck.afp.com/video-shows-police-officer-pinning-down-drunk-chinese-woman-his-knee-hotel-shenzhen

Picture of “forced labor” of Uyghurs, first published by Forbes, originally came from a factory in 2010 Brazil. Forbes later changed the picture without announcing their error. https://i.redd.it/20mzu89zo1d51.jpg

Picture of an “uyghur” with his eyes/mouth/ears sewn shut, is actually a picture of Abas Amini protesting the UK’s treatment of asylum seekers in 2003 https://i.redd.it/9zixb3ukmad51.png http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/nottinghamshire/2941780.stm

Rushan Abbas, who claimed that her sister/friends are locked in Chinese concentration camps, is actually a participator of Guantanamo Bay in 2003 with CIA ties, which has verifiable human rights violations against Muslim prisoners. When confronted she claimed she was only a translator, but also justified Guantanamo Bay. https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/e9ad4n/i_am_rushan_abbas_uyghur_activist_and_survivor_of/

Much of BBC’s visit to a Uyghur re-education center have words mistranslated or taken out of context by BBC in order to fit a certain narrative. Nevertheless, BBC did make a second unannounced “surprise” visit late at night, only to see Uyghurs leaving the center, supposedly for the weekend. https://medium.com/@sunfeiyang/breaking-down-the-bbcs-visit-to-hotan-xinjiang-e284934a7aab

Sayragul Sauytbay first claimed that she did not see any violence, only hunger and that they never had any meat. However, later her story changed, claiming that they were forced to eat pork. She also added a new story that she saw police raping prisoners in public, and anyone who showed facial expressions or couldn’t watch was taken away and disappeared. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/world/article-everyone-was-silent-endlessly-mute-former-chinese-re-education/ https://www.haaretz.com/amp/world-news/.premium.MAGAZINE-a-million-people-are-jailed-at-china-s-gulags-i-escaped-here-s-what-goes-on-inside-1.7994216

Adrian Zenz claimed that according to 2015 and 2019’s Health and Hygeine Statistical Yearbook, 80% of all new UIDs in China were performed in Xinjiang. A check of the source (pg 228) shows that it’s actually 8.7% not 80%. UIDs are also reversable and is the preferred method for most people in Xinjiang, while more extreme, non-reversable methods for birth control are relatively more preferred in other areas of China (most notably Henan). https://web.archive.org/web/20200712091001/https://s2.51cto.com/oss/201912/05/1822362d5f7ccc8ff5d87ecdba23e64c.pdf

Uyghur models for 'concentration camp' video?Is there a concentration camp that's so lax? Security won't know if you have a cell phone. There are New Year's decorations hanging at the door. Security guards with their heads down playing with their phones and no weapons. There's a grandmother in a sweater outside the door. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eetc6DPUwAIIPZv?format=jpg&name=large


Congrats, you fell for the propaganda!

[–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 2 points 22 hours ago

Fake and dumb, literally just visit Xinjiang yourself and find out, or check the countless videos from other people who have already beaten you to it

[–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 6 points 1 day ago

They just keep stricter control over their media outlets so that you need to actually do some research to find something. And so most people don't.