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Yeah that’s not what we’re doing; it’s what you imagine we’re doing.
Name one major western critic of china you agree with.
I'll name a critic of the US: the cuba embargo for the past 70 has been a major disaster, and any deaths from economic collapse isnt due to cuba's socialism, it is instead because of the US.
Do that, I'll be far more willing to believe you.
China's support of the Khmer Rouge was shameful.
Name one major western criticism of China you don't agree with.
I think they aren't the aggressor in the China/USA relationship. The US is in their "backyard" and has clearly surrounded them, and China is naturally nervous about it
(This is more of a train of thought, and is not intended to roast or provoke a response)
When you consider who the aggressor is, and then consider that the aggressor has spent a century building the most enormous and sophisticated propaganda machine in human history, you can begin to see why, for someone born into that machine like you or me, who get virtually no real information about these Designated Enemy countries, someone supporting them might just look like someone supporting "the bad guys" for no understandable reason. Of course our media isn't going to show us any reason why anyone would support China, because they want us to support the Epstein Empire instead.
So for those of us who grew up in that bubble, supporting The Enemy is just made to look like some kind of insanity, like "oh these poor people just snapped out of hatred for capitalism, and now they support something even worse." Of course, in reality there is nothing worse than what our countries (i am assuming you're western here) are doing and have done. The standard liberal outlook on other countries is that we have good or at least understandable reasons to do the horrible things we do, but our exes, all those countries we've exploited and invaded? Don't talk to them, they're crazy. Don't even listen to anyone who likes them, they're crazy and liars and paid and we may be bad but everyone else is worse, trust me.
This is like the silly rationalization some religious people have for atheists, that we’re just angry at god.
That's all well and good, but it raises the question: if you think the US is the aggressor, why do you believe their accusations against China?
It depends on the evidence for the accusation just like anything else. I admit, for most accusations I don't have time so just move on. For more serious accusations, I would think about it more whether its true.
Sometimes the US makes shit up, sometimes it doesn't. Same with China. I just have to take the time to determine if the evidence is sound, at least in principle.
And that's all anyone here is doing too. It's not that all accusations against China are dismissed out of hand.