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But even running an indexer on a YT-like scale would need serious money, even if you spread the hosting and streaming load around. And for most users, this would not be attractive, as you probably would have to torrent the data first and view it later.
Then there is the issue with responsibility. If someone throws e.g. CSAM into the system, who could be held responsible? Who would have to deal with DMCA notices? Who would deal with issues like "Dictator X demands all videos showing him in a bad light to be removed immediately!"
And: Opening a payment system is a serious can of worms, especially if you need it to work internationally.
Honestly, I'm not against a YT alternative, but I don't want it to die after three weeks because the person behind is was too optimistic to consider to potential problems.
Yes, I agree.
It appears GNU Taler is seeing some initial deployments. That's for payment system.
An index can have centralized control, while being itself decentralized. Like for checking certificates you don't contact some CA website every time, you have a certificate chain, cryptographically verified. That's for CSAM and DMCA notices. That center can deal with them, sending deletion notices signed with their certificate or whatever, or recalling index entries. Those would have to propagate over the network fast enough, of course.
That system just has to allow plugging in paid services in a uniform way. Then the serious money part will not be as important.
With torrents one can have sequential downloads, and again, with paid services one could have those having new publications faster and with better download speeds.
The word "uniform" is the only thing differentiating this from the Internet we already have.
With Taler I wait for it to work the kinks out. And, of course, for it to be available somewhere reasonable.
I'm in Russia, I'll probably see Taler here only after Putin.
True but probably doable since it would be way smaller.
That's a good observation.
The uploader. But I get that could be difficult.
Only the ones where the DMCA is valid. Which means US.
Do you realize that in many place such a request could be simply ignored until the dictator X does not get and order by a judge ?
Not to say that these are not real problems, but a distributed system is much more resilient to them, with the good and bad implications associated.
That's a point that is more problematic since such system could|should not use something like paypal or similar services.
All this also doesn't take into account how creators gets paid.
It's a big system, with enough moving parts that I understand the ad/pay model existing. I just wish they weren't such prices about how they choose to operate it sometimes.
You're right, cost of content creation comes on top of the running costs, too.
If they want to make money in such system, they can simply host their node and use something like patreon to get paid.
(yes, there should be the option for a node to not be able to share a video and to stream it only to subscribed users, but that does not seems to be a big problem)