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For background, I am a programmer, but have largely ignored everything having to do with AI (re: LLMs) for the past few years.

I just got to wondering, though. Why are these LLMs generating high level programming language code instead skipping the middle man and spitting out raw 1s and 0s for x86 to execute?

Is it that they aren't trained on this sort of thing? Is it for the human code reviewers to be able to make their own edits on top of the AI-generated code? Are there AIs doing this that I'm just not aware of?

I just feel like there might be some level of optimization that could be made by something that understands the code and the machine at this level.

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 1 day ago (3 children)

No one is training LLMs on machine code. This is sorta silly, really.

Decompiling an executable into human readable code could be useful. But you would probably train on the opcodes, not the machine code.

[–] naught101@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

I think on top of this, the question has an incorrect implicit assumption - that LLMs understand what they produce (this would be necessary for them to produce code in languages other than what they're trained on).

LLMs don't product intelligent output. They produce plausible strings of symbols, based on what is common in a given context. That can look intelligent only in so far as the training dataset contains intelligently produced material.

[–] TauZero@mander.xyz 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Language is language. To an LLM, English is as good as Java is as good as machine code to train on. I like to imagine if we suddenly uncovered a library of books left over from ancient aliens, we could train an LLM on it (as long as the symbols themselves are legible), and it would generate stories in the alien language that would sound correct to the aliens, even though the alien world and alien life are completely unknown and incomprehensible to us.

[–] aubeynarf@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

not necessarily, just as interpreting assembly to understand intent is harder than interpreting “resultRows.map(r -> r.firstName)”, additional structure/grammar/semantics are footholds that allow the model to form patterns at a higher level of abstraction

[–] TauZero@mander.xyz 1 points 18 hours ago

Only because it's English and the model is already trained on a large corpus of English text, so it has some idea of what a "table row" is for example. It could learn the concept from reading assembly code from scratch, it would just take longer. Hell, even Lego bricks can be trained on! https://avalovelace1.github.io/LegoGPT/

Our system tokenizes a LEGO design into a sequence of text tokens, ordered in a raster-scan manner from bottom to top. ... At inference time, LegoGPT generates LEGO designs incrementally by predicting one brick at a time given a text prompt.