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What is something you like that you initially disliked because of bad representation?
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Veganism.
Their entire basis of preaching guilt over the consiousness angle was egotistic, overzealous and unproven.(either all plant matter and all animal matter are consious or they are all not. Therefore everyone, no matter what matter they consume to survive, remains guilty of ending a consiousness or not and therefore neither diet maintains the higher ethical ground to guilt from. I will not be convinced otherwise. And especially not while every white paper starts with defining consiousness is always in their own pure hubris)
It was not until it was called 'Plant based' that i got on board as that research is proven. yes: it is healthier, yes: less emmissions. yes: uses less matter to consume. yes: more sustainable. (Although not sustainable for those who remain unable to digest beans as a form of protien. but that is another story)
Ethical? in the form of 'less matter' one might try to argue but i would not use any guilt angle on ethical stance so long as any matter that may be argued to contain consiousness is consumed. No ethical stance starts with measuring anything in value as 'less than' another so long as it is used just to justify to find their own comfort to judge others from.
man what
Consciousness is very poorly understood, because we don't understand brains very well at all.
However, because we don't know how it works, it's possible that every system with chemical reactions, moving parts etc, might be conscious. It's a bit of a mind fuck.
Sure, for a generous definition of "possible". However I don't see how you get from there to "either all are, or all are not".
Like, you could at some point have said we don't understand magnetism. You couldn't from that argue that either all metals are magnetic or none are.
that's the thing: no one knows. No one agrees. Not even vegans. It doesn't stop them pushing out misinformation about it.
For all the facts we do actually have and agree on i could make just as many claims that there is consciousness as they claim there isn't.
Meanwhile you have anti abortion claims that life starts at conception. This makes an assumption of when consciousness starts. Still not fact.
And scientists don't want to be withheld from work on plants for the fear of ethics. (Yet they tear mice apart)They will go as far as make no effort of reference or crosscheck even on the discussion of consciousness(even shows in the above link at the bottom of the study) like they know so little they can't even begin with reference that was ever agreed upon and burry any that contradict their hubris while making an assumption on consciousness.
All three of these groups are in constant contradiction depending on comfort level of ethics around consciousness. It's like a shitty ballet around a non fact.