Wrong again. John Locke (the founder of liberalism), owned shares in slavery-concerns, and openly defended slavery. The 3 liberal countries (US, UK, and Netherlands), all heavily engaged in the slave trade, (britain and the US especially). The US genocided an entire contintent and hundreds of native tribes, under a liberal form of government.

Nazi germany explicitly tried to emulate the US model (Doing to eastern europe what the US did to turtle island), and failed. In fact the only thing you can say with regard to fascism vs liberalism, is that liberalism is far more effective form of government for genocide than fascism was.

[–] WhatsTheHoldup@lemmy.ml -4 points 7 months ago

Oh I see what's going on here. You're not separating the ideology of philosophical liberalism from the actions of a state power that is labeled as "liberal".

Wrong again. John Locke (the founder of liberalism), owned shares in slavery-concerns, and openly defended slavery.

To my point.

If a person is capable of separating ideology from the actions of state powers they might have considered the possibility "John Locke was a hypocrite".

It's disingenuous to accuse liberals of supporting every single action a supposedly "liberal" state power might make. State powers aren't ruled by ideology alone, there are a bunch of different parties compromising and corrupting and grabbing power for their own interests that has nothing to do with liberalism.

The US genocided an entire contintent and hundreds of native tribes, under a liberal form of government.

Oh it was so much more horrific than you can put into words.

"Liberalism for me, not for thee" should be the Americans national motto.

Tecumseh is considered a national war hero in my country for that exact reason. They had the right to defend their land and our liberal democracy recognizes that.

Before the Treaty of Fort Wayne, Tecumseh was relatively unknown to outsiders, who usually referred to him as "the Prophet's brother." Afterwards he emerged as a prominent figure as he built an intertribal confederacy to counter U.S. expansion.

In August 1810, Tecumseh met with William Henry Harrison at Vincennes, capital of the Indiana Territory, a standoff that became legendary. Tecumseh demanded that Harrison rescind the Fort Wayne cession, and said he would oppose American settlement on the disputed lands. He said the chiefs who had signed the treaty would be punished, and that he was uniting the tribes to prevent further cessions. Harrison insisted the land had been purchased fairly and that Tecumseh had no right to object because Native Americans did not own land in common. Harrison said he would send Tecumseh's demands to President James Madison, but did not expect the president to accept them. As the meeting concluded, Tecumseh said that if Madison did not rescind the Fort Wayne treaty, "you and I will have to fight it out."

In the War of 1812, Tecumseh joined his cause with the British, recruited warriors, and helped capture Detroit in August 1812. The following year he led an unsuccessful campaign against the United States in Ohio and Indiana. When U.S. naval forces took control of Lake Erie in 1813, Tecumseh reluctantly retreated with the British into Upper Canada, where American troops led by Richard Mentor Johnson engaged them at the Battle of the Thames on October 5, 1813, in which Tecumseh was killed. His death caused his confederacy to collapse. The lands he had fought to defend were eventually ceded to the U.S. government.

This is probably my biggest regret in history.

Britain wanted to establish a native "buffer nation" between Canada and the US which Tecumseh was heavily rallying for. The US said "no way".

I wish they got their land.