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because i'm fine with wayland. why don't you?
I don’t want to fix wayland. Wayland is bad.
Even if my heartfelt love for the op overcame my revulsion for wayland I would not put any effort into fixing this issue because the structural problems with wayland make it a battle with an entrenched system of powerful organizations with skin in the game and outspoken users looking for a fight as opposed to a simple pr.
Think for a second about the context of what you are aligning yourself with in these replies to me: wayland, a collection of protocols and apis in a trenchcoat, doesn’t have a standardized one for alt tab. That’s not because of a cabal of stereotypes rubbing their hands together and laughing over a meeting table shaped like the Mercator projection, but because the wayland devs abdicated responsibility by not making a reference implementation and that left space open for anyone who wanted to to stake their claim.
Now rather than looking at the design and deciding that we need 12 foot posts to support the back side of the building as the land slopes off we are at the mercy of whatever the supplier brings to the site today.
Why would I volunteer my time to that? Why would anyone?
why do you want me to spend time on that then?
Because you’re fine with wayland.
The op is flailing, trying to use the system you’re at the very least fine with but I now suspect you feel a certain affinity towards but they can’t. They can’t use wayland unless you help. Their various windows are shuffled on top of one another and require the use of a mouse to switch between. You could be helping the op instead of trolling. But you’re not.
Why are you not helping the op, umbrella?
if i'm fine with how it is, why would i help change it?
So people trying to use it could more easily do so.
Because you believe in the principles behind it and want to bring them in harmony with the ops problem.
As an action in support of the open source principles you espouse, improving the commons for no other reason than your empathy and love for the human spirit!
99% of people who wants to use it does. wayland literally just works.
What are you trying to say here?
It clearly has a serious problem that the op is experiencing. Why not help the op instead of dismissing their concerns? It really seems like you’re trolling or at least engaging in bad faith here…
why don't you? you seem bothered by it and maybe op stumbled upon something worth looking into.
I already answered that. I don’t think wayland should exist let alone be fixed and even if I wanted to I described the development environment around it as sclerotic and sycophantic.
then why do you care so much? just use x11.
I do whenever possible. If you’ll remember, I replied to the ops query about why wayland is the way it is.
A better question is why are you replying to me over and over again asking circular questions?