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communism is the abolition of the state. socialism is the transition to a stateless society by using the bourgeois state against them and for the people.
marx himself (and later deng xiaoping, since the subject is the chinese state) believed capitalism and markets were necessary to develop productive forces before communism could happen.
please read marx before throwing names at people. this is the basics of marxism.
But when will the communism finally happen? I guess the people in power often fall into a conservative trap to keep the status quo because it's working.
After class struggle is done?
by lenin's logic, when the global capitalist hegemony is finally defeated. communism can't happen while capitalists would do everything to destroy it. it has to be an everyone wants it kind of thing.
this is also why you don't see country-sized anarchist societies and why we need socialism first.
So basically, we need to achieve world domination where most nations are governed by democratic socialists before we can defeat capitalism? That explains a lot.
Thank you for the explanation!
not at all. i'm not a social democrat, and "social democracy" is not what any of the AES countries are.
OK so capitalism and free markets are necessary. You need to have and dominate capitalism to end it. What's the intermediate governing principle? Communism? That's kind of a paradox, as we can't have communism within capitalism, or can we?
As I see it, China looks a lot like a one-party democratic socialist republic using capitalism to exert soft power. I might be wrong though.
Or are you talking about other countries which want to establish communism?
the intermediate governing principle is socialism. using it to keep the (global) rich down while we transition away from capitalism, into communism. though this is just the path china choose to walk: play along with global capitalism to develop their industry, yes.
though despite all that went wrong, lenin later showed us that you can indeed skip straight to socialism without capitalism or free markets and have it be even more advanced than what we have now in china.
a new communist revolution would look totally different in 2026, and would take a different character depending on which country it's happening on because it's more about people choosing their own path instead of having the empire dictate the washington consensus to them. this is the main thing but is what makes socialism the most difficult to understand by westerners who haven't lived imperialism.
yes they are. are you expecting the poorest country in the world to develop itself and solve all contradictions in a couple of decades?
i know real life socialism set literal records for developing quick but things still take time. rebuilding a country is not trivial.
please read the philosopher you are telling me you already like, and study more about the method he created.