Again an assertion that doesn't like up with reality. ICE (the modern Gestapo as many people know them) were no less funded or utilised under dems for example same with the police. They also oversaw and funded genocide. You are falling for the optics and believe just because they say the good things they must not be doing as many of the bad things and it's just not accurate.

[+] zbyte64@awful.systems -6 points 4 weeks ago (5 children)

Again, I never said the dems don't utilize the same forces. The critique is in how and to what degree. Surely there are plenty of libs for you to debate that you don't need to invent a strawman lib.

[–] gualudengren@lemmy.ml 11 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

See now you're backtracking. So they don't use more covert methods? They use the exact same methods and institutions just "less" (in your mind). But again this is an assertion without merit when you look at how funding for ICE and the militarisation of the police hit record levels under both administrations. So again we're back to you taking pr and a better controlled news cycle to be a tangible material difference that it simply isn't.

[+] zbyte64@awful.systems -7 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

Where is the contradiction in saying the same institution can be directed to use or favor different methods?

[–] gualudengren@lemmy.ml 12 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

The fact that they plainly aren't? The police were still the police under Dems the same violent gangs brutalising whoever they liked and facing minimal (in reality effectively 0) repercussions. And ice was still ice Dems were more then happy to gloat about record deportations under their administrations, you think ice was suddenly politely asking people if they would like to leave under Dems, obviously not they were the same violent kidnappers putting kids in cages.

This is all not even mentioning the three letter agencies and their bipartisan escapades. (Abu gharib was not an abomination but the system working as intended)

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems -4 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I will just say my lived experience is they do in fact favor different methods. From my own daycare provider having a deportation clause to being on ICE watch to my brother in law being deported, the difference is stark.

[–] gualudengren@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 weeks ago

Yeah the difference is that after the years of buildup it's affecting you now so it's totally different. It's not you just didn't care until it started affecting your life.

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