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I have been using Linux for over 8 months now, and my primary distribution of choice was Debian.

Debian recently conducted a community vote on allowing AI contributions, and it ended up allowing responsible AI contributions.

What is this responsible? How can AI commits be responsible? There are thousands of reasons to not use AI, and the primary reason is AI is a thief.

How did you react to Debian's decision? Did you switch distros? Which one was your option, and why?

Also, when the Linux kernel itself allows AI commits, is there any practicality in a Linux distribution strictly limiting or restricting AI commits?

I have no serious usability issue with Debian now but am concerned about the use of AI even in my Linux distribution. Should I keep going with Debian or consider any other distribution, as I only have 8+ months of experience as a daily Linux user? I tried almost all Linux distros and am comfortable with everything except Void Linux and highly complex ones like Gentoo.

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[–] HetareKing@piefed.social 7 points 1 day ago (3 children)

GPL may call itself "copyleft", but legally it is dependent on copyright to be enforceable. In the first place, the whole point of licenses like GPL is to ensure that when people take from the commons, they also give back to the commons. The way AI gains its ability to generate shitty code undermines this, and so is ideologically very much at odds with Linux and the wider FOSS world.

[–] peacepath@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Copyright is a deprivation of freedom, and the GPL comes using this rules to turn around them. I won't defend copyright. AI comes with more important problems, such as ecology, and creating monster private companies that have far too much power.

The tool in itself can really be usefull when well used. Many people use it and get nice results. Many people abuse it, and many people abuse themselves with it. It is true with a hammer too. I don't think "hammer-free" is a feature, even if their are many domain in which I don't see the point of using a hammer (and so "made with a hammer" isn't a feature either).

Also, I can't find any example in history of a technology that was successfully banned despite being usefull. Some have been regulated, such as nuclear industries, but that was not perfect and needed a continuous and hard strugle. The strict "no-AI" movement has already lost its battle, at most we could get regulations, maybe...

[–] HetareKing@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The thing is, if all other things remain the same, an absence of copyright will also be used by the wealthy and powerful to further enrich and empower themselves and as a tool of oppression.

From the Ferengi Rules of Acquisition:

#34 War is good for business.

#35 Peace is good for business.

You cannot have internally consistent, principled view on copyright without also having a compatible view on the economy. And even then, the economy needs to come first; you cannot start destroying load-bearing pillars, no matter how ugly, without first getting everyone out of the house.

The tool in itself can really be usefull when well used. Many people use it and get nice results.

The way I see it, there are two kinds of people: those to whom AI is utterly useless because it just ends up taking more time and have them burn through their cognitive endurance faster, and those to whom it would be irresponsible to let them use it, because it would prevent them from finding better solutions for the busywork they're letting the AI do, and they just end up creating a lot of needless maintenance overhead.

But more importantly, being "useful" to certain individuals is not the same as being good for society. Which brings us back to it undermining licenses like the GPL, which would further enrich and empower the already advantaged.

Also, I can’t find any example in history of a technology that was successfully banned despite being usefull.

CFCs? Asbestos? The bans on them aren't perfectly enforced, but nevertheless, the hole in the ozone layer is shrinking and the number of people dying of asbestos-related lung cancer is reducing, so they do have value.

The strict “no-AI” movement has already lost its battle

Even if it were true, that would be no reason to stop trying or to stop saying the truth: No matter useful you experience it as being, you are causing harm. To yourself, to the field, to society.

[–] m532@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You can call it "the truth", but I will call it "the dogma".

[–] HetareKing@piefed.social 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

It only appears dogmatic to someone under the mistaken impression that technologies are value-neutral. Make no mistake: even if every generative AI model were open-source and you could run on your own hardware, it would still be a technology that empowers the already advantaged far more than anyone else.

[–] wuphysics87@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 hours ago

How? If every model was open source and you could run on your own hardware?

[–] m532@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

GPL wields the copyright system against itself, like a virus. The goal is the complete destruction of the copyright system and the liberation of all software.

[–] HetareKing@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It won't exactly be able to accomplish anything like that if it's been undermined no matter what the mechanism of its enforcement is.

[–] m532@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

This is the GPL's trap card. When it gets undermined, the "copyright" system loses its credibility.

That was the idea, at least. Seems like there's people who double down on their belief in copyright in response. But that's their own fault.

The usual saying applies: "It's easier for them to imagine the end of the world, than the end of ~~capitalism~~ the copyright system."

[–] NoLemurs@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

GPL (and copyleft generally) gets way more attention than it should. In the wild, MIT and similar permissive licenses are by far the most common. Linux is on GPL, but that may be a historical artifact as much as anything. I don't know if Linus himself would choose it if he were making the choice today.

The wider FOSS community, in my experience, leans permissive rather than copyleft. The copyleft people are just loud.

EDIT: To be clear, when I say I don't know what choice Linus would make today, I don't mean that I'm skeptical he'd choose GPL. I literally just mean that I don't know. He's been quite clear that he's not a principled believer in copyleft, but it does have real advantages for a project like the Linux kernel.