this post was submitted on 24 May 2025
1381 points (99.4% liked)

memes

15345 readers
3323 users here now

Community rules

1. Be civilNo trolling, bigotry or other insulting / annoying behaviour

2. No politicsThis is non-politics community. For political memes please go to !politicalmemes@lemmy.world

3. No recent repostsCheck for reposts when posting a meme, you can only repost after 1 month

4. No botsNo bots without the express approval of the mods or the admins

5. No Spam/AdsNo advertisements or spam. This is an instance rule and the only way to live.

A collection of some classic Lemmy memes for your enjoyment

Sister communities

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] aidan@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (11 children)

I can’t imagine compromising on my beliefs simply for… what… entertainment??

Where did I compromise on my beliefs?

“Oh, well, he’d like to kill all the non-whites, but he told a good joke one time.”

Seriously, you must have a severely broken moral compass to think like this.

I mean did you see what I said about literally explicitly being okay with being friends with a murderer. If you're actually curious about why I think like that: I think people are much more multifaceted than most people give credit for. They're molded by their environment, habits they fall into. I think behaviors and beliefs are closer to habits, or sometimes addictions, to ways of thinking than they are fixed elements of a "personality" or "identity". I think there are probably many killers who were genuinely sweet, and kind, and caring, to their friends and family- and when they're like that, that's just as much them as when they're doing genuinely evil things. I can see the human while also not enabling the evil.

But even putting all that aside, I can’t imagine a Nazi ever being “fun to talk to”. Fun for them is beating up ethnic minorities. Jokes to them are bullying those who are different.

Yea I agree their sense of humor is often really bad. "N-word == funny" type stuff. But there might be some some actually funny ones. Also the worst thing is how they always want to bring everything back to the jews. Like I can think a movie is bad without wanting to hear a 10 minute rant about how the jews control Hollywood.

And you’d just happily nod along to their racist statements about ethnic minorities?

Where did I say that?

[–] irmoz@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (10 children)

Where did I compromise on my beliefs?

Having a "fun" conversation with a nazi

I mean did you see what I said about literally explicitly being okay with being friends with a murderer. If you're actually curious about why I think like that: I think people are much more multifaceted than most people give credit for. They're molded by their environment, habits they fall into. I think behaviors and beliefs are closer to habits, or sometimes addictions, to ways of thinking than they are fixed elements of a "personality" or "identity". I think there are probably many killers who were genuinely sweet, and kind, and caring, to their friends and family- and when they're like that, that's just as much them as when they're doing genuinely evil things. I can see the human while also not enabling the evil.

Well that's all very sweet, how nice of you to be so kind to murderers.

But whatever, I just don't care - you are not beholden to be kind to someone just because they are multifaceted and complete humans. Humans can be evil, and if even one of those "facets" is murdering or a desire for genocide, I have every right to disagree with that. I do not owe anyone my time, or my patience.

And so fucking what if they're molded by their environment and experiences? Why should I give even the slightest shit if the end result of the molding process was a FUCKING NAZI? I've had bad experiences with ethnic minorities and didn't blame it on their heritage or skin colour. Why should I let them off the hook?

Yea I agree their sense of humor is often really bad. "N-word == funny" type stuff. But there might be some some actually funny ones.

Funny if you're racist. And again, I do not have to wade through a mile of shit and corpses just because there might be a slice of cake at the end. I am allowed to say "no, fuck off".

Also the worst thing is how they always want to bring everything back to the jews. Like I can think a movie is bad without wanting to hear a 10 minute rant about how the jews control Hollywood.

Yet another reason not to talk to them outside of berating them.

Where did I say that?

Like I already said: when you said you'd prefer a "fun" nazi to someone else "boring", and implied by you taking issue with me saying you should either argue or leave. This implies you'd prefer to stay and not argue. And if you're not arguing with them or leaving, what are you doing? Standing completely still with no words or body language of your own? No, you're engaging in the conversation.

[–] aidan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Having a “fun” conversation with a nazi

Next paragraph explains

But whatever, I just don’t care - you are not beholden to be kind to someone just because they are multifaceted and complete humans. Humans can be evil, and if even one of those “facets” is murdering or a desire for genocide, I have every right to disagree with that. I do not owe anyone my time, or my patience.

I agree, you don't have to. But just because you choose not to, doesn't make me a nazi if I choose to. That was what this was about, it was never about forcing you.

Funny if you’re racist.

Again they have the capacity to say stuff outside that.

And again, I do not have to wade through a mile of shit and corpses just because there might be a slice of cake at the end. I am allowed to say “no, fuck off”.

And again where did I try to change your mind on that?

Like I already said: when you said you’d prefer a “fun” nazi to someone else “boring”, and implied by you taking issue with me saying you should either argue or leave. This implies you’d prefer to stay and not argue. And if you’re not arguing with them or leaving, what are you doing? Standing completely still with no words or body language of your own? No, you’re engaging in the conversation.

You understand that nazis talk about a weather too? I would do the same as I do with everyone. Make it clear I disagree with what I disagree with, but also have the capacity to talk about other stuff.

[–] irmoz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Make it clear I disagree with what I disagree with

First time you've said anything remotely like that. Why not say this sooner?

[–] aidan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Because that's me being an argumentative person, I don't think someone has an obligation to, to prove to external observers they're not a nazi. That's also not their job.

[–] irmoz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Is that the way you think? You only argue with people to prove who you are to observers, or if it's your job?

[–] aidan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I argue with people for a lot of reasons. I an saying no one has an inherent obligation to argue with anyone.

[–] irmoz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It's not an inherent obligation, but if you genuinely oppose those ideas, you'd feel compelled to argue against them if someone expressed them, or else remove yourself from the situation ASAP

[–] aidan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You're saying you would, I explained why others might not feel the same way, and still genuinely oppose them

[–] irmoz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You can't genuinely oppose something and tolerate it at the same time, that's a contradiction

[–] aidan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] irmoz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Then I suppose we disagree on what "oppose" or "tolerate" mean

load more comments (7 replies)
load more comments (7 replies)
load more comments (7 replies)