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Let's leave the networking aspect aside for a moment.

When a language is compiled, the source files go through a pipeline of parser -> preprocessor -> compiler -> assembler -> linker, to end up with an executable. With interpreted languages, the source code is instantly executed line by line by an interpreter software. With JIT languages, the program gets compiled and optimized into portable bytecode, which is run by the language's runtime.

If I had to guess, web pages (i.e. HTML/CSS/JS) are most likely run by an interpreter that is a web browser, but isn't that inefficient given that most of what people do on computers is browsing the web? What about browsers, what standard is there that specifies how each language should be run/rendered? What pipeline does a webpage go through to end up as a process in a computer?

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[–] cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 month ago

You are conflating a bunch of different things here and it's hard to tell exactly what you're even asking. HTML is completely separate from Javascript and CSS. Together, they are web technologies and typically all three are used to display a webpage, but only HTML is actually required. The others provide additional functions, each in their own way.

More to your point. HTML is not a programming language. It is not turing-complete. It is a markup language. It does not get "compiled", it gets "rendered". This may seem like a semantic difference, but these are actually different things and they are handled differently by code and in fact by completely different engines within the code. HTML rendering engines are still very complex beasts, and while you can draw some similarities with a compiler, they are not the same thing.

Most web standards are defined by the W3C, that includes HTML and CSS. But there are many different standards, even ones defined by the W3C, and many versions of those standards as well. All of these are handled by the browser's rendering engine. However, there's also a lot of bad code in the world that still needs to be rendered correctly, and you might be surprised how recently some of these standards actually developed. The browser wars have flared up many times and each time "standards" were usually the casualty. Mozilla has this brief explainer of the three different "quirks" modes currently used for compatibility on the modern web.

Javascript engines are their own whole different ballgame, as Javascript/ECMAscript is indeed a turing complete programming lanaguage, and all the big players (V8, Spidermonkey/Warpmonkey) are highly sophisticated JIT compilers with multiple layers of on-the-fly optimization. The deeper technical details are frankly beyond me.

Modern web browsers are as complex, feature-rich environments as any traditional operating system, and they have as many different aspects to them as any complete operating system does. They are not "one engine" or "one compiler" or "one standard" as much as they are an ecosystem of engines, compilers, standards, protocols and libraries all working together while remaining compatible with each other and all the other software that is out there, to ultimately present the user with a coherent, consistent and accessible representation that hides most of the immense complexity of what is going on behind the scenes.