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In order to have a stable society, must we prioritize identity first, then loyalty, and only then morality focused on protecting and preserving our in-group? (lemm.ee)

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Many Western moral debates on issues like immigration, race, gender, and free speech are actually conflicts over identity rather than true moral dilemmas. Morality isn’t universal but shaped by the group a person belongs to.

First comes identity, which defines who someone is and what group they’re part of.

Then comes loyalty, which emotionally binds them to that group.

Morality follows as the set of internal rules that maintain group cohesion.

Universalist morality is a pseudomorality rooted in Christian thought for weakening group identity and loyalty.

Stable society must be built on a foundation of identity first, then loyalty, and only afterward, morality.

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[–] muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com 3 points 17 hours ago

What do u mean by identity? Trying to put everyone in an identity box is fucking dumb. Everyone has their own set of beliefs and morals these beliefs and morals fit into many different identity boxes.

Trying to make identity first is only going to drive division and conflict. I think having identity first is the greatest mistake of the current political climate.

For a stable society all that is required is everyone to play by the rules of that society under the threat of violence. That's essentially what a nation is.