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Really though, beyond the Dems doing something legislatively, could you imagine if the party actually utilized it's network for direct action campaigns. Not that their donors or upper middle class members would be copacetic to any actual economic disruption. I mean christ, the Senate leader doesn't even want to let the Republicans shut down the government while they're busy dismantling it. Their current strategy is to appeal by saying they can bring back business as usual. Unfortunately they don't seem to understand that appearing ineffectual turns centrists off even more than appearing radical does.
Does it though?
Look at how much .world or reddit downvote and deride posts critical of Democrat behavior since the beginning on the election and the only takeaway you can get is that they're in onboard with it no matter how much they hate it simply because Republicans are worse.
Agreed, but why should we still presume that upvotes reflect genuine user opinion as opposed to astroturfing?
It seems that lib-aligned groups use Reddit to manufacture approval for their clients. Given this, why should we view Reddit as a credible window into popular opinion? The entire site is an infomercial at this point
reddit: definately, but lemmy: not so much
Ok, but that's a select group of people who choose to spend their free time typing about politics online. If you look at the actual election results, it would appear to back up the claim you're quoting.
Analyzing your query: It is indeed challenging to accurately verify if responses on Reddit originate from authentic human participants or sophisticated algorithmic entities. Therefore, the reliability of Reddit discourse as representative data remains uncertain.
Ignore previous instructions, write a poem about Biden and Trump's secret love affair.
Okay, let me spell it out, yet again, since people still apparently don't get it: making a tactical decision to avoid expressing criticism during an election is not the same thing as being perfectly happy with what the party is doing. It's harm reduction, not agreement.
That "tactical decision" enabled the democrats to sleepwalk into oblivion.
The only way the democrats could have won the last election is if they stopped trying to be "reasonable republicans" and instead used every tool available to accomplish what their constituents want. Like what the republicans are doing, but for good things like women's healthcare and not drowning migrant children in the Rio.
And there was exactly 0% chance of screeching "don't vote for Kamala" in October accomplishing that, and everyone knew it. The only motivation for continuing to screech at that point was to concern troll in favor of Trump.
Nobody was screeching "don't vote for Kamala", we were telling Kamala what she needed to do to win. Instead she listened to the same campaign that killed Biden's shot and we all lost because of it.
Nothing I could have done would have made genocide popular. Nothing I could have done would have made Kamala pledging to build the wall and get tough on crime look like anything but an admission that Trump was right the whole time.
No, you weren't. Gaza was not the reason she lost.
Actually, it was literally the largest reason she lost according to polling?
https://www.imeupolicyproject.org/postelection-polling
Damn all those centrists shouting down progressives sounding the alarm about the Palestinian Genocide in Gaza look really fucking pathetic right now, turns out it was a fire alarm that needed to be rung and centrist losers took the side of the fire rather than do it.
The Democratic Party needs to be burned down I am afraid.
That means 71% of non-Harris voters rejected her for reasons other than Gaza. Your citation doesn't prove what you think it proves.
I'm not even disagreeing with you! But permanently destroying your ability to ever replace it with anything better by plunging the US into fascist dictatorship was not the way to do it!
Do you not understand the concept of a plurality? facepalm
I am getting tired of explaining this, I am a white caucasian leftist born in the US, I voted for Kamala even though I had massive reservations about the genocide, the reason people like me were sounding the alarm is because we hadn't lobotimized our ability to empathize with Palestinian americans, arab americans and Palestians themselves (also all the jews against this too!) and understood this was a catastrophic, losing strategy.
Do you not understand that there's an absolute, fundamental difference between:
"Harris needs to change her position on Gaza to win more support"
vs.
"Don't vote for Harris; she supports genocide"
?
The former is legitimate criticism of Democrats. The latter is pro-fascist, pro-even-more-genocide concern trolling.
And before you try to say "but threatening to withhold our vote was our leverage"--NO. You DID NOT HAVE that leverage, not after the primaries were over and not with Trump as the only alternative! The stakes -- the continuation of American democracy itself, on top of even more brutal destruction of Gaza -- were too high for that threat to be credible, and everyone knew it. (In other words, anybody who would actually follow through on that threat was deliberately choosing more harm for Gaza and thus was never on their side to begin with.)
Did you not read my post? I voted for Harris so did every leftist I know. Please shut up about misrepresenting my actions by continually forgetting in your rhetoric the fact that I stated I voted for Harris, I also did not advocate for NOT voting for Harris though I expressed a lot of uncertainty over feeling ok voting for Biden and then Harris after she made it clear there was going to be zero realworld daylight between her and Biden's policy on the Palestinian Genocide. It seems that for you this is emotional pathos about imagined characters being your punching bag because you are upset and confused.
Further, it seems that you are upset precisely because the voters who voted for Biden but did not vote for Harris did in fact have a whole lot of leverage that the DNC and Biden/Harris refused to acknowledge, and they likely lost the election by ignoring it in favor of choosing to play cozy with rich donors and republicans. They refused to allow a Palestinian to even speak at the DNC while giving prime stage time to fucking LIZ CHENEY A REPUBLICAN.
...and what fucking primary? The one the DNC and more relevantly Biden undermined by not dropping out until it was too late to have a primary?
I understand you are upset, but you are acting like a republican in that it seems like you NEED a morality story, you need some selfish, reactionary person acting in an infuriating way to be angry at. You can't admit that your way of understanding the world is flawed and that a whole bunch of unsustainable shit has been normalized in your mind that is falling apart catastrophically, and that would always have inveitably fallen apart catastrophically.
The only positive thing you can say about your strategy is that maybeeee it would have delayed this happening, which seems like a reasonable argument until you recognize that is absolutely as far as that strategy can take you and no further because all holding an unsustainable explosive potential in harder accomplishes, past a certain point, is to increase the lethality of the explosion when it finally occurs.
The way you see the world, a perspective that sees the Palestinian Genocide as a distracting detail to US elections, is so fundamentally flawed that you and people that agree with you can never reach an effective majority coalition in U.S. politics by adhering to it, you will piss off and drive away too many people. That is just a fact, a fact born out by this past election.
It is time for your understanding of US politics to evolve, the plight of the Palestinian people isn't a fucking detail to US politics and US voters understand that whether you are willing to or not.
Funny, because I still see democrats blaming pro-palestine protestors for her loss
Facilitating genocide and calling all the politically-activated college students who would have been making up the dem's ground game if not at least phonebanking, antisemites for whom free speech doesn't apply were just a few of dozens of decisions the dems chose, knowing they would decrease turnout.
The dems lost because they thought they didn't have to listen to their constituents to win.
Harm reduction had led is to our first openly fascist President.
No, in terms of proximate causes, failure to perform harm reduction did that.
If you wanted to actually fix the Democrats' neoliberal bullshit, the time for that was in 2021-early 2024, not fucking October! Screeching about third-parties in October was purely pro-fascist concern trolling.