They called my claim that men have a significant advantage over women when it comes to strenght a made-up fact so I backed it up with evidence as requested.

Hmm, on re-reading I can see that as being part of what was asked. However, you wrote this,

This isn’t about not wanting trans people in the sports and you know it. It’s about the unfair advantage they have over biological women.
Men have a significant advantage over women when it comes to strenght and speed and in most (but not all) cases this applies to trans women as well.

So I think the real ask is for evidence that post-transition trans women are stronger than cis women. To reiterate, I think the points now requiring evidence are these statements (edited by me for clarity):

It’s about the unfair advantage .. trans people in the sports .. have over biological women.
.. trans women .. have a significant advantage over .. cis .. women when it comes to strength and speed and in most (but not all) cases

I do note that you state that this is not true in all cases btw, so also interested in hearing what you think the exception is (that is, what are those cases where trans women, particularly trans women in sports, do not have an unfair or significant advantage over cis women when it comes to strength and speed).

[–] Opinionhaver@feddit.uk -2 points 1 month ago (13 children)

also interested in hearing what you think the exception is

It would be a statistical miracle if every single trans woman was stronger than every biological woman. I'm confident in claiming that most are but I'd never claim that there's no exceptions. Depends on many things such as biological diversity, how long ago they transitioned and what drugs they're taking just to name a few.

[–] abff08f4813c@j4vcdedmiokf56h3ho4t62mlku.srv.us 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

also interested in hearing what you think the exception is
It would be a statistical miracle if every single trans woman was stronger than every biological woman.
but I’d never claim that there’s no exceptions

Ok, that's fair.

I’m confident in claiming that most are

Right, but that's what the other commenters were waiting for supporting research on, I believe.

[–] Opinionhaver@feddit.uk 0 points 1 month ago

The best data is from military recruits, and there are a couple of recent studies, one published in 2020 and one in 2023. They looked at cis men, cis women, trans man and trans women. How many steps you can do in a minute, how many push ups you can do in a minute, and how fast you can run 1.5 miles. And what they found in that study was that trans women remained faster for up to two years after the initiation of gender affirming hormone therapy. At four years, trans women continued to do more sit ups and push ups.

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