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Why can't he do that, Pammy?
Gotta say Aaron is a bold motherfucker.
No, no, no. They painted the targets on themselves.
This app is telling people where to avoid. Not where to go.
All of a sudden, so many things are "not protected speech". I find it tempting to be as ignorant as a Republican, but I'd certainly be caught off guard in that case.
Why can’t he? She literally says why not in the text you copied and pasted lol
Yes, but that statement also contains over 50% lies by volume
Does her word override the first amendment?
There aren't many exceptions, and what's happening on a public street generally isn't one of them.
Doxxing federal agents and putting their lives in danger is a crime. The first amendment doesn't give you the right to do that without repercussions.
“the First Amendment protects the right to gather information about what public officials do on public property.” Smith v. City of Cumming, 212 F. 3d 1332, 1333 (11th Cir. 2000).
Sure, you can gather that information. You can't then put it out there publicly to help people break the law, and to put federal law enforcement employees lives in danger.
Can you prove that people are breaking the law by the mere collection and existence of this data?
How about those Flock ALPR cameras showing up everywhere? Can we be sure the collected data is being used in accordance with the law?
They're not just collecting it though, that's the point - they're publishing it on an app that is specifically made to help people evade law enforcement and to target violence at law enforcement.
They're not advocating violence, just reporting a fact. (A hammer is a tool, but also a murder weapon) But you do understand the power asymmetry of an unaccountable police force, right? And just how dangerous this is to civil society? There have been multiple accounts of excessive and incorrect deportations by ICE, with no visible effort to attempt to correct those problems. People are now using the meager tools we have left to try to enforce accountability, before there is only one last tool in the toolbox.
lol no one believes that, not even you.
How are they "unaccountable", and how is that even relevant?
Are you a lawyer? What law are you citing?
Obstruction of justice, aiding and abetting, to name a few.
I want you to explain to me how when Google does it (allowing anyone with an app to report a speed trap - you know where law enforcement is present) it's legal but when some random developer who's not a multi-million dollar Corp does it, it's illegal and obstruction.
I'll wait for your list of case law.
Waze and Google maps don't let you report them for the purpose of helping illegal immigrants avoid law enforcement, or to tell people where to attack.
In all actuality I believe the point of being able to report a speed trap is to allow people to avoid getting caught breaking the law which amounts to the same thing.
Google maps and Waze can absolutely be used to show where to attack law enforcement. They can also be used to avoid law enforcement. What you're saying is that you feel like the intention of the app is to break the law in some way but you've been given a similar app that does basically the same thing and you back up nothing or what you've said with documented case law or even the laws you think this app is breaking. Cool. Good talk.
The main difference is that speed traps and cameras etc are deterrents. They’re supposed to make people slow down, that’s the point of signposting them. Knowing where they are makes people slow down. Their existence is to try and stop people from breaking the law.
Knowing where ICE agents are doesn’t stop people from being in the country illegally.
And yes, again, intent matters. No matter how cute people think they’re being by pretending it’s not meant for X, not everyone is stupid and oblivious enough to fall for it.
There's one major problem with what you're saying. It's that ICE is actively jailing people without giving them due process. As an entity it is assuming guilt which is in direct conflict with the constitution. Because it's violating the rights of the people it is no longer a government agency acting for the people, and because it's actively breaking the law it is not protected. If you can't understand that without due process they can and possibly will arrest you and deport you somewhere regardless of your constitutional right to reside in the US then you are in fact missing the main point of this app and there's a reason people are down-voting you.
Also, you're making a lot of assumptions about what the app is for, and still posit no actual proof of your position. You have made an assumption here and when confronted about your opinion based on that assumption you have continued to double down instead of even considering the alternatives.
And speed traps aren't intended to be a detterant. I don't know why you think that's the case but in fact they are set up specifically to catch speeders. The deterrence is a bonus. But a lot of police departments make money for their municipality via speeding tickets. So don't try to play like we can just ignore this so you can feel like you've won.
Bit of a meltdown you had there mate. Are you ok?
Yes, we should follow the laws like our government officials and police always do. Give me a fucking break lmao.
You can choose to break the law if you want, but you can't then cry about it if/when you get caught. This guy can make his ICE-tracking app, but he has to live with the repercussions.
Nobody is crying about getting arrested. The fascists are arresting anyone they please without due process. The people risking their safety know the risks. ICE and the police are breaking the law by obscuring their faces and badge numbers, but you’re complaining about working class folks breaking laws written by the ruling class. Laws that they constantly ignore.
Anyone, or just those in the country illegally? Also law enforcement officers aren't "fascists" just because they're LEOs.
You asleep or something?
Anyone. Jesus christ have you not been watching the news? There have been countless American citizens detained by ICE because they don't know, or care, what your legal status is when they arrest you. They just grab Anyone.
Multiple natural born citizens have been kidnapped by ICE. Surely you've heard of that under your rock by now.
“Kidnapped” lol. When someone is arrested for murder are they “kidnapped”?
So you ignored every word of my comment to just say whatever idiotic thought popped into your head. Cool
Yes. When unidentified masked thugs who are not even in a coherent uniform show up to start beating in citizens and throw them into a van, that's just abduction.
How are the various NATURAL BORN CITIZENS who've been kidnapped in any way in violation of immigration law? Explain that one to me? The people with green cards who've been trafficked out of the country despite having all the paperwork saying they can be there?
You're falsely claiming these people are being accused of a crime, but there isn't one to accuse them of. That's abduction.
Showing the current location of [what is supposed to be] a public servant in a public location acting publicly is not doxxing.
The purpose of the app is to help illegal immigrants evade arrest, and to help “activists” assault and impede ICE. All illegal things.
The app merely informs of locations, you choosing to add all that bullshit to it is your own hangup. Citizens who don't want to be abducted by power tripping unidentified masked men - who've already been south to be violent and aggressive to random people regardless of status are also avoiding those areas. That's not illegal.
ICE are the ones breaking the law.