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This always annoys me. I land on a site that's in a language I don't understand (say, Dutch), and I want to switch to something else. I open the language selector and... it's all in Dutch too. So instead of Germany/Deutchland, Romania/România, Great Britain, etc, I get Duitsland and Roemenië and Groot-Brittannië...

How does that make any sense? If I don't speak the language, how am I supposed to know what Roemenië even is? In some situations, it could be easier to figure it out, but in some, not so much. "German" in Polish is "Niemiecki"... :|

Wouldn't it be way more user-friendly to show the names in their native language, like Deutsch, Română, English, Polski, etc?

Is there a reason this is still a thing, or is it just bad UX that nobody bothers to fix?

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[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 76 points 19 hours ago (4 children)

I've seen language switchers with translated language names that were sorted by the English name. So "Deutsch" was sorted under G.

[–] mle86@feddit.org 34 points 17 hours ago

Yeah that happened on Microsofts knowledgebase sites for years...

So annoying. But cant blame such a small company for not fixing that, they probably couldn't afford to fix it /s

[–] LeninsOvaries@lemmy.cafe 6 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Out of curiosity, would you put Deutsch before or after 日本語?

[–] pitaya@lemmy.zip 4 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Before, since D and G are both before N ("nihongo") and J ("japanese")

[–] Lyrac@programming.dev 4 points 6 hours ago

I think his point was that they are using different alphabets, and therefore can't be sorted "alphabetically"... there's no N or J in 日本語. In order to sort alphabetically, we would have to pick an alphabet, which will in some cases contradict the alphabet of the language's native speakers.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 20 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

It's not my fault if the Scrum Master can't provide a proper scope in the ticket. They said change the names, not the sorting.

[–] Geth@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

The scrum master is not a product owner and shouldn't be providing scope or anything for that matter in tickets. No wonder agile is hated and dying, it's been corrupted beyond recognition by people who have no reading comprehension.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 1 points 7 hours ago

No wonder agile is hated

I think that the basic ideas are reasonable. Keep in touch with your team and evaluate the current situation, track progress, stuff like that.

It's just that the excessive codification of the practices becomes overbearing.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago

The product owner often doesn't understand technology well enough to know that mapping labels and sorting are different. They don't know what they don't know. The SM needs to help bridge that gap.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

What language would you sort them by?

[–] Geth@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

If everything is displayed in the same language then sort by the displayed language. You don't want to have to search for Spanish near the E letter because it's sorted by the original espanol in the background since that's not what you as the user sees.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

And if they're all displayed in their own language?

[–] twice_hatch@midwest.social 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

byte order, nobody is happy but at least it's sort of equitable

[–] tal@lemmy.today 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Byte order in which Unicode encoding? UTF-16LE?