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I understand the historical significance since the nationalists retreated to Taiwan at the end of the Chinese Civil War.

Back then, and for perhaps the middle part of the 20th century, there was a threat of a government in exile claiming mainland China. Historically, then, there was your impetus for invasion.

However, China has since grown significantly, and Taiwan no longer claims to be the government of mainland China, so that reason goes away.

Another reason people give: control the supply of chips. Yet, wouldn’t the Fabs, given their sensitive nature, be likely to be significantly destroyed in the process of an invasion?

Even still, China now has its own academia and engineering, and is larger than Taiwan. Hence, even without the corporate espionage mainland China is known for, wouldn’t investing in their burgeoning semiconductor industry make more sense, rather than spending that money on war?

People mention that taking Taiwan would be a breakout from the “containment” imposed by the ring of U.S. allies in the region.

Yet while taking Taiwan would mean access to deep-water ports, it’s not as though Taiwan would ever pose a threat to Chinese power projection—their stance is wholly defensive. If China decided to pull an “America” and send a carrier to the Middle East or something, no one would stop them and risk a war.

So what is it then? Is it just for national pride and glory? Is it to create a legacy for their leadership? The gamble just doesn’t really seem worth it.

Anyway, appreciate your opinions thanks!

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[–] novibe@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Taiwan has been a part of China for far longer than the US has existed. Or that Hawaii has been part of the US. And there’s pretty good support for independence in Hawaii…

[–] Semjaza@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 1 day ago

While I agree with you overall I would like to make clear that Taiwan was not part of China before 1683 when the Qîng Dynasty conquered the Ming rump which fled there (and kicked out the Dutch).

It's not "far longer" than the US existed, but is far longer than Hawaii has been controlled by the US Empire.

[–] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It doesn't matter. Polities reunify and separate all the time in history. The idea that a polity once becoming part of another can't separate again is so dumb

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 4 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Interesting. So the Donbas has a right to leave Ukraine?

[–] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 0 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

Yes but with the legal way with a referendom

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 0 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

Lol, ok. So Taiwan can only separate with a legal referendum held by China?

[–] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world -1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

They are already separated. China has no effective control on taiwan . They ceased the territory to japan. That's not taiwan fault, only chinese fault. Taiwan population is the one with the autority to decide what they want. If they want to join china again. The united snake has no right to intervene. If taiwan want to stay independemt china has no right to intervene. What china has right to do is protect it's own security and not let the united snake to use them as a proxy against china

Your argument is similar to israeli claim that they had the right to force their state on local people because palestine land was part of old jewish kingdoms 2000 years ago

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 0 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

They are already separated. China has no effective control on taiwan . They ceased the territory to japan.

When was the legal referendum?

[–] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world -1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

China ceaded it to japan. It is similar to when i give someone something i can't go after few years and force the person to return back what i gave them

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

China ceaded it to japan

Really? When was the legal referendum?

[–] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world -1 points 19 hours ago

Referendum is not the only legal way. China did a bad deal but it's still legal. China should have never ceaded that territory and continue to resist japanese occupation. So don't blame china fault on taiwanese I will reiterate china has the right to protect it's security and interests but not to try to reunify without taiwanese population approval

[–] novibe@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

So if a rebel army lost a civil war in the US, fled to Hawaii, set up a military dictatorship that exploits and genocides native Hawaiians, we should all just accept that as cool and fine? As long as 50 years have passed and the only people left are the children of the rebels and military dictators who support their “state”?

Edit: also while being supported by China and Russia and all the while having war games where they invade the US from Hawaii 😂

[–] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] novibe@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

The history of China and Taiwan, but using the US and Hawaii as an example