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[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 59 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

I hate to be nitpicky about a meme but I love to be nitpicky. This claims is based on bullshit statistics that the author made up or bent to his will. The Ottoman empire alone shows this to be incorrect but Rome too stands out. Besides, what would an arbitrary amount of time have to do with the collapse of complex economic systems. Its bullshit idealism and I hate seeing it.

I am begging the US to collapse though

[–] LwL@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Average. It's just an average. I haven't verified whether the number is accurate (and often it's probably debatable what qualifies as an empire and at what point it fell) but some empires lasting way longer does nothing to disprove 250 years being the average lifespan.

The second part of what you said is still entirely correct of course, that number has no real predictive capabilities for the collapse of the USA.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 9 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

It isn't though, I have seen the original source of this claim and its bs. The author just picks and chooses when empires begin and end so that it fits their claim. I would concede the point if it were ever actually an average.

[–] daydrinkingchickadee@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

It's not just Glubb. The Changing World Order by Ray Dalio also arrives at the 250 year number.

[–] daydrinkingchickadee@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 hours ago

Cliodynamics and Structural-Demographic Theory suggests cycles of 200-300 years as well.