Dude. They literally started the first comment with "I lived in China for 4 years". When you start trying to "um actually" people with years of first-hand experience, it might be time to reflect on your own biases

[–] KrasMazov@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 5 days ago

That doesn't mean that person is an expert on China just because they lived there. They could very well be wrong, and in fact they are. You don't have to take my word for it, the Brazilian YouTuber Felipe Durante has lived in China for years, and continues to do so, and he goes in the complete opposite direction than the person saying "I lived there and censorship no one knows anything" in this thread.

Why should I take this random person word instead of the one I can literally see is in China?

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

just pointing out some hypocrisy. letting fascism fester in social media because some vague idea of "freedom" is no true freedom. motherfuckers in china can and do use VPNs when they want to.

ill have to reinforce my suggestion to expose yourself to politics beyond us propaganda.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works -4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

What hypocrisy?

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

letting fascism fester in social media because some vague idea of “freedom” is no true freedom.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works -5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

What makes that hypocrisy, and how is that manifested in the comments you replied to?

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

despite the propaganda your country does to make you hate it, you don’t seem to know you are missing it dearly in the US.

because its the same thing, except us media lies about it and muddies the water instead of suppressing it like china does.

and for worse reasons. one country does it to suppress fascism, the other does it to suppress resistance to them globally.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works -1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

us media lies about it and muddies the water instead of suppressing it like china

"instead" is incorrect. They both do both, albeit to differing degrees.

Also you're quoting yourself, not caboose. How long have you lived in China? They lived in China and spoke to Chinese people in Chinese about their personal experiences with the Chinese information landscape. Where were they hypocritical?

And yeah, lots of Chinese people do [X], if [X] is a thing people do. There's like 2 billion of them. Even the most supportive source you could find said 75% don't use VPNs. Listen to the person with personal experience.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Where were they hypocritical?

I literally just explained it to you in my previous post. I quoted what I said and further clarified it because you asked.

Even the most supportive source you could find said 75% don’t use VPNs

a quarter of 2 billion people is quite a lot. If you told me 20% of the people on the planet own a car, I would not tell cars are common, but VERY common (and they are!).

Listen to the person with personal experience.

should i listen to MAGA fascists then, because they mostly have extensive personal experience with the US?

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works -1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I literally just explained it to you in my previous post. I quoted what I said and further clarified it because you asked.

Nothing you said have anything to do with hypocrisy. You still haven't quoted them.

a quarter of 2 billion people is quite a lot.

I didn't accept the accuracy of that figure, I just noted it as an upper bound. Absolute values aren't particularly useful in this kind of discussion. Any weird and obscure niche interest has millions of fans. What's relevant are proportions. I think numbers are probably much closer to 1:10. In a big country that's a lot of people, but it isn't anywhere near typical. Even 1:4 isn't typical, and that's an unexamined generous figure.

should i listen to MAGA fascists then, because they mostly have extensive personal experience with the US?

Do they have more personal experience with the US than you do? I only listen to them enough to figure out how they got where they are and how to prevent others from going there, but I've lived in the US for decades so I have my own expertise. How long have you personally lived in China?

[–] IttihadChe@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 days ago

Living in China doesn't make you an expert.

Tons of people who hate China live in China as "English teachers" because it's "easy" and stay within their own "expat" bubble.