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I'm watching Apocalypse in the Tropics documentary on Netflix about evangelicals and politics in Brazil and it's mind boggling. Why do the religious people just blindly do whatever the pastors tell them?

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[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No, because that's not fit to the environment as in actual living space environment. Humans have largely removed themselves from the natural environment, so we are no longer nearly as subject to survival of the fittest in the way it's meant to apply to a changing species ala darwinism.

Besides, Idiocracy like behavior only further proves my point, it doesn't prove the environment is magically different.

[–] HeroHelck@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No I'm sorrry, "the environment" is just everything around you. Your house is the environment, new york city is nature. These distinctions are made up in our heads but deep down there is no essential difference between your house and a tree, or the city you live in and a forest. We haven't seperated ourselves from anything, we've just changed it. Changing evolutionary pressures doesn't mean we've somehow unmoored ourselves from it, traits are still being selected for and against it really doesn't matter how anyone, or thing cares about it. It MAY end up getting us all killed, but the process will continue anyways and the "fit" will continue to reproduce more successfully than the "unfit". It's not that I don't agree with you that the things that get selected for aren't what I'd consider good, or that will make us happiest as a species. It's merely that natural selection as a process will not "care" about what we care about because it is a process, nothing more.

[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

That is an insanely dumb way to look at what environment is as far as darwinism is concerned. It's like pretending being on a ship in the middle of the ocean is the same as swimming out there.

Only one of these conditions is meant to apply to the process of evolution and darwinism.

[–] HeroHelck@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 17 hours ago

"meant" what do you mean by "meant"? who meant? why did they mean for that? You're not making sense, you're ascribing special properties to manmade enviorns and acting like they're polluted, bad, or different in some essential way. That manmade enviorns are polluted, harmful, or otherwise damaging is just incidental, they don't HAVE to be that way, you cannot just assume that they're innately worse than "natural" enviornments, they're just different. I just want to understand how you think "manmade" is any different from the effort ALL fauna and flora makes to change their enviornment to suit their needs. Is it "natural" the bees build hives? Is it "natural" for beavers to damn creeks? Were trees "meant" to alter the soil chemistry around them to fight off competitors? Did bryophytes defy nature's will by evolving a waxy cuticle to survive in locations untouched by plants before they evolved? Humans, nor any other animal whatsoever was "intended" to live somewhere or some way. This a fundamental error so many people make when talking about the ecology of our planet, there is psuedo-religious way of looking at things and ascribing of anthropocentric values. None of this has a purpose, none of it has a goal, none of it has an intent, or a desire, or any sort of human-like trait.