Europe
News and information from Europe 🇪🇺
(Current banner: La Mancha, Spain. Feel free to post submissions for banner images.)
Rules (2024-08-30)
- This is an English-language community. Comments should be in English. Posts can link to non-English news sources when providing a full-text translation in the post description. Automated translations are fine, as long as they don't overly distort the content.
- No links to misinformation or commercial advertising. When you post outdated/historic articles, add the year of publication to the post title. Infographics must include a source and a year of creation; if possible, also provide a link to the source.
- Be kind to each other, and argue in good faith. Don't post direct insults nor disrespectful and condescending comments. Don't troll nor incite hatred. Don't look for novel argumentation strategies at Wikipedia's List of fallacies.
- No bigotry, sexism, racism, antisemitism, islamophobia, dehumanization of minorities, or glorification of National Socialism. We follow German law; don't question the statehood of Israel.
- Be the signal, not the noise: Strive to post insightful comments. Add "/s" when you're being sarcastic (and don't use it to break rule no. 3).
- If you link to paywalled information, please provide also a link to a freely available archived version. Alternatively, try to find a different source.
- Light-hearted content, memes, and posts about your European everyday belong in other communities.
- Don't evade bans. If we notice ban evasion, that will result in a permanent ban for all the accounts we can associate with you.
- No posts linking to speculative reporting about ongoing events with unclear backgrounds. Please wait at least 12 hours. (E.g., do not post breathless reporting on an ongoing terror attack.)
- Always provide context with posts: Don't post uncontextualized images or videos, and don't start discussions without giving some context first.
(This list may get expanded as necessary.)
Posts that link to the following sources will be removed
- on any topic: Al Mayadeen, brusselssignal:eu, citjourno:com, europesays:com, Breitbart, Daily Caller, Fox, GB News, geo-trends:eu, news-pravda:com, OAN, RT, sociable:co, any AI slop sites (when in doubt please look for a credible imprint/about page), change:org (for privacy reasons)
- on Middle-East topics: Al Jazeera
- on Hungary: Euronews
Unless they're the only sources, please also avoid The Sun, Daily Mail, any "thinktank" type organization, and non-Lemmy social media. Don't link to Twitter directly, instead use xcancel.com. For Reddit, use old:reddit:com
(Lists may get expanded as necessary.)
Ban lengths, etc.
We will use some leeway to decide whether to remove a comment.
If need be, there are also bans: 3 days for lighter offenses, 7 or 14 days for bigger offenses, and permanent bans for people who don't show any willingness to participate productively. If we think the ban reason is obvious, we may not specifically write to you.
If you want to protest a removal or ban, feel free to write privately to the primary mod account @EuroMod@feddit.org
view the rest of the comments
You're lying.
Russia had been directly involved in the war against Ukraine since 2014, it militarily invaded Ukraine when it occupied the Crimea, and russian soldiers have been fighting Ukraine in Donbass since day 1.
Russia did not use a "pretext" for invasion, it simply created the pretext itself. What you call protests in eastern Ukraine was the armed struggle of Girkin, a russian secret service member. Without this Russian interference, there is no donbas seperatism.
You're right about one thing: The invasion had nothing to do with internal politics. It was however, about the antagonism of democracy and empire. Russian ultranationalists never accepted Ukraine, and 2014 was simply the first step towards its destruction.
When you talk of "spheres", you parrot the ideological worldview of Putin. He has sung the praise of a "multipolar world" for years now. The issue is that humanism and democracy recognize no spheres. Instead, every country should be allowed to decide for itself what path it takes. That is the pretext for invasion, do deny Ukraine that right.
You are the one who is lying by parroting western propaganda.
Russia was not involved at first. At first it was simply protests. They were then dispersed by the Ukrainian military. Only when Donbass and Luhansk formed their own governments and militias did Russia start supplying equipment and sending volunteers.
Up until the 2022 invasion, it was still a civil war with increasingly heavier support by Russia for the breakaway regions.
And this is exactly what was their pre-text for the invasion. "Protecting" the ethnic Russians in those breakaway states and those under Ukrainian military rule.
If you do not believe any of this, you're free to lookup videos of the protests in 2014. There are plenty of videos still available showing the protesters in most prominently Donetsk and Odessa.
Also spheres of influence is not an invention by Putin. This is how the world has worked for a long time. We had the cold war spheres of influence, before that during the interregnum of thr world wars, countries did end up shifting and finally aligning themselves with great powers again. The last stroke were the spheres established by the Molotov-Ribbentropp treaty. And before WW1 there were certainly arguable also spheres of influence across both Europe and the colonies of the great powers.
And lastly no, nothing of this has anything to do with an ideological struggle. We're not in the cold war anymore. The whole world runs on capitalist economies with republican systems (save for the constitutional monarchies and very few last absolute monarchies). There is no ideological struggle between more authoritarian and more liberal ones. The only struggle there is, is that over spheres, markets, soft power. The Russian invasion of Ukraine has not single thing to do with democracy vs authoritarianism. Russian ultranationalists do not lead the nation. Even in the worst case scenario Russia would annex a part of Ukraine and install a puppet regime over the rest. Ending Ukraine as a nation is neither feasible nor a goal for Putin and the government. The same way that Belarus keeps existing as a nation.
Yes, and Hitler was defending ethnic Germans from Polish persecution and retaliating for Gleiwitz incident which was completely not a false flag. /s
Godwin's Law at its finest here - despite the point you're making