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[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Executive orders aren't laws de jure, but they are laws de facto.

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They are not laws whatsoever. They aren't anything more but words on a paper. You can't take it to court and argue that you are complying with an executive order and HAVE to. That's why they keep losing all of these lawsuits based on EO's. You can't just make some shit up and have it fly in court.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The top of the Executive branch can order these things. Executive, it's in the name.

We rely on the courts to check that power. This is Constitution Class 101.

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Are you seriously arguing the President cannot order the executive branch of government to, uh, execute his orders? Would we have had this conversation when Obama or Biden was in office and writing executive orders?

Don't be silly. Just because Trump is abusing the fuck out of the power, and the courts are hit-and-miss, doesn't change the Constitution. We can probably agree that the Constitution is no longer worth the paper it's written on, but it exists and defines our government.

I feel like I'm arguing with someone that agrees with me.

An Executive Order is not law, and cannot be misconstrued as law.

Example: Trump says solar panels are outlawed. Outcome: Nothing

Example: Trump says no Trans people in sports Outcome: Nothing. In fact, multiple states sued him and won a stay, and if they even attempt to enforce that as law, they are immediately not only breaking the law, but a judicial order, and opening themselves to civil prosecution which they will certainly lose in court.

Example: Trump says some dumb shit about plastic straws Outcome: Everyone using paper straws still using paper straws.

These bullshit decrees are meaningless except to the sheep working for him. They can't enforce a goddamn thing.