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[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 96 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Wow Belgium, I thought you were a bit cooler than that

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 52 points 1 day ago (2 children)

People, including many Europeans, make a lot of assumptions about Europe.

Americans in particular seem to assume that issues fall along the same political Dem/Rep divide as in the US. That gives them bad ideas. European countries have more solid social safety nets, more accessible and cheaper health care and education, more developed and usable public transport systems, ...

On other issues like immigration or racism, they are on a MAGA-level. There is no big controversy because it is widely taken for granted that European nations are ethno-states. This is less so in the former colonial powers Britain and France. But they have their own baggage that gnaws at them from within, just like the history of racial segregation undermines the USA.

Another area where Europe is just different from the US is freedom of information. It's just not respected in the same way. Intellectual property, on the other hand, is held in much higher regard. That's how it has been for a long time.

Now that the copyright industry is waging an all-out lobby battle against citizens, you can expect much more like this.

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Americans in particular seem to assume that issues fall along the same political Dem/Rep divide as in the US.

Yes. As someone who grew in Russia, if I'd talk freely and casually about politics in the way we do here, with Americans IRL nearby, I'd probably be literally lynched regardless of those being majority Democrat or majority Republican minded, and if those Americans were sufficiently inattentive, even by a mixed crowd. Things associated with freedom and dignity and just human treatment of each other here are associated with fascism there, and the other way around. And it's very counterintuitive. And also honestly Americans and continental Europeans (but not Brits) generally feel more like peasants with pitchforks than like Russians, in every political-minded discussion. It really feels that they'd be perfectly fine with everyone disagreeing being relocated six feet under, and the purpose of the discussion is usually to let you atone and ask for mercy. Despite all the stereotypes about Russians, this is not the case here, you might get insults, but not that heavy unwillingness to accept your side's existence.

Though that was 10 years ago, now in the Russian-language space there's much wariness of propaganda and legal problems for speech and so on, so people speak less freely, while a loud minority of bootlickers likely outside Russia repeat some combination of American points, more similar to a Republican set, but at the same time certain they'd be loved by Democrats. It's weird.

[–] cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 day ago

The billionaires are the real enemy, regardless of what flag flies over your land, and they're trying like hell to make sure no one realizes it is the billionaires everywhere that are not only happy to see, but in many cases actually behind all of this chaos and strife. War is good for business, we are cannon fodder for their ambitions. The story hasn't changed in centuries, only the dollar figures involved have.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

On other issues like immigration or racism, they are on a MAGA-level. There is no big controversy because it is widely taken for granted that European nations are ethno-states. This is less so in the former colonial powers Britain and France. But they have their own baggage that gnaws at them from within, just like the history of racial segregation undermines the USA.

What about Spain and Portugal?

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 4 points 6 hours ago

My passing understanding is that they'd really prefer if the people from their former colonies remained an ocean or two away. Portugal recently passed a new law that made it harder for immigrants (the vast majority are Brazilians) to get a worker visa and full citizenship

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

In short: IDK.

[–] AstaKask@lemmy.cafe 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't think anyone has ever thought Belgium was cool. Been to Brussels plenty of times and I think it might be the least cool city in all of Europe. Except for FOSDEM of course. That is pretty damn cool.

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Oh really? I always liked Brussels as a typically modern European city: a nice combo of old and new, friendly locals plus it's nice and walkable and has a decent variety of food options, though Bruges has them beat on walkability.

Plus they have a lot of great beer and the mitreillette, what's not to like?

I've definitely been a few places I'd rank lower anyway

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 1 points 7 hours ago

Imo cities like Bruges or Antwerp are much nicer.

[–] freebee@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago

Bruges is a museum.

[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 4 points 23 hours ago (4 children)

That does it, I'm not having waffles anymore

[–] 3dcadmin@lemmy.relayeasy.com 1 points 2 hours ago

FREE THE WAFFLES!

[–] YknsNMo000@thelemmy.club 1 points 4 hours ago

Waffles did nothing wrong :( no collateral victims pls.

This is because of one thing and one thing only: the right wingers.

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 0 points 4 hours ago

I'll still eat as many Freedom Waffles as I please.

[–] atticus88th@lemmy.world 3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Classic waffles are way better than those belgium giant ass ridges cant even hold the melted butter and high fructose corn syrup aunt jemima in one bite .

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

That be the country where the king records a "happy psychopath"-style videos where he talks with his subjects over video calls on a smartphone. Everything clean, bright smiles, the subjects' selection is properly racially diverse. And you can just feel how with everything so perfect something is wrong, like - why that session of short video calls of the monarch with random (but very proportionally selected and similarly clothed in style) people even happens? What is it intended to show, that the king has empathy for every person? Were I a citizen of Belgium, I'd prefer the king to not care and tend to his garden instead. This feels so glowing and fake that one can't help thoughts like "what if the king actually eats children for breakfast".

[–] YknsNMo000@thelemmy.club 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Also he killed someone while drunk driving in the ardennes.

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 4 hours ago

Things like that have never disqualified kings, though

[–] YknsNMo000@thelemmy.club 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

The german king? He have nothing to do with us. We're a monarchy because the brits wanted the germans to stop invading the french or something so she picked one of her cousin

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

To show the Netherlands their place and to not have Wallonia part of France at the same time, rather. And the Catholic-Protestant problem was real.

[–] YknsNMo000@thelemmy.club 2 points 2 hours ago

Well yeah these idiots refused to buy indulgences. You can't have a country with heretics