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[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 8 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

Keep in mind that due to size these are only viable for industrial or utility grade storage. Not great for cars, devices, or probably houses.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 23 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

The video says it's 175 kwhr per kg compared to 185 for LFP that's already used in some cars. Gold standard is Lion at 300. Volumetric is the same ratios.

So it's usable in cars and absolutely immediately useable in homes.

[–] DrunkEngineer@lemmy.world 5 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Sodium batteries generally have poor round-trip efficiency. This won't be game-changer for home or solar use unless CATL can solve that problem.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 10 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Google says 80% compared to up to 95% for LifePO4. Extra 15% cost for waste heat during charging vs 10x cheaper battery.

[–] rainwall@piefed.social 20 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

CATL first uses for the tech are literally car batteries. Your info looks to be outdated. The energy density of these new sodium batteries is apparently just 5% less than current lithium batteries used in electric cars.

The platform is called naxtra. They are also using it in their mixed battery car batteries called Freevoy that are primarily sodium, but also lithium.

The link above is the transcript of the posted video. It covers both electric car platforms.

[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 9 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Yes, outdated info then.

Edit: sounds pretty magical that they're significantly improved in nearly every way. 10x cheaper, over twice the charge cycles, more temperature tolerant, and only slightly less capacity.

It'll be interesting to see if they can really deliver all this.

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 12 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Aren't the current models only about half as dense as lithium Ion?

Taking up twice the space for a tenth of the cost seems like a pretty acceptable trade-off for the house scenario

[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago

Yes, it's a great trade off, for particular applications.

[–] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 13 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Could be used at your house for solar power backup during the night?

[–] WhiteOakBayou@lemmy.world 5 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, just double or so the amount of space you'd need for lifepo4. Good if you have some space

[–] lemmylommy@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)