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I'm not an absolutist. It is democracy, just not as democratic as it should be.
Take Russia, for example. They overcame the DNC's billions with a few hundred thousand on internet bots to trick America into electing a fascist. The internet was a wide open propaganda hole that everyone overlooked, and you didn't even need to be a billionaire to reach people on it.
Why aren't you trying as hard as they are? Are you too comfortable in American decadency?
Source your claims. Right-wing think tanks, right-wing media and influencers, right-wing organizations, the DNC, Hillary's campaign, and even liberal media created Trump and allowed him to rise to power.
https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/
Trump was nobody before the media put him on blast. If there were so many "Russian bots" that enabled his rise to power, prove it - it should be easy for you.
https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf
Salon is compromised, they're part of the Russia denialists.
The email leaks are verified, try again.
I'm sorry are there some email leaks I'm unaware of that reveal that Russia actually wasn't involved in helping Trump get elected at all or what are you trying to argue here?
Did Russia make them do that too?
I'm arguing that I trust Julian over Stone and anybody else who claims otherwise. You are free to disagree.
You keep changing the subject. I'm talking about Russia influencing the US election to lean towards fascism. What does that have to do with DNC officials being biased against Bernie?
It was a major relevation from the leaks, which you are free to attribute to Russia if you believe Roger Stone and a source (BuzzFeed) that provides no evidence, but claims that Wikileaks "apparently" contacted Guccifer 2.0.
I am not doubting that Wikileaks or Julian specifically contacted Trump Jr. Doesn't make him pro-Trump, or pro-Russia, just anti-Clinton. Julian has not been kind to the Russian government to the best of my knowledge.
The whole Guccifer 2.0 thing is hard for non-intelligence individuals to follow because there are no proper sources or evidence that one can readily find. I was around at the time, and was quite active on social media, and nothing made sense back then, and it continues to make no sense after years of investigations and articles written about it. Roger Stone seemed to be pivotal in legitimizing the role of Guccifer 2.0 in the Wikileaks releases, from my understanding.
Maybe I just suck at reading these articles. I am willing to accept that and I will be looking into this further when I am not sick. Regardless, thanks for engaging - my perspective will likely evolve with your help and direction. I am interested in the truth and I don't want to take anyone or anything at face-value.