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Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Striking Motorcyclists More Than Any Other Brand: New Analysis (fuelarc.com)

submitted 3 weeks ago by KayLeadfoot@fedia.io to c/technology@lemmy.world

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TL;DR: Self-Driving Teslas Rear-End Motorcyclists, Killing at Least 5

Brevity is the spirit of wit, and I am just not that witty. This is a long article, here is the gist of it:

The NHTSA’s self-driving crash data reveals that Tesla’s self-driving technology is, by far, the most dangerous for motorcyclists, with five fatal crashes that we know of.
This issue is unique to Tesla. Other self-driving manufacturers have logged zero motorcycle fatalities with the NHTSA in the same time frame.
The crashes are overwhelmingly Teslas rear-ending motorcyclists.

Read our full analysis as we go case-by-case and connect the heavily redacted government data to news reports and police documents.

Oh, and read our thoughts about what this means for the robotaxi launch that is slated for Austin in less than 60 days.

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[–] KayLeadfoot@fedia.io 1 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Police report for 2024 case attached, it is also linked in the original article: https://www.opb.org/article/2025/01/15/tesla-may-face-less-accountability-for-crashes-under-trump/

It was Full Self Driving, according to the police. They know because they downloaded the data off the vehicle's computer. The motorcyclist was killed on a freeway merge ramp.

All the rest is beyond my brief. Thought you might like the data to chew on, though.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

The motorcyclist was killed on a freeway merge ramp.

~~I'd say that means it's a very good chance that yes, while FSD was enabled, the crash happened under the older AP mode of driving, as it wasn't until November 2024 that it was moved over to the new FSD neural net driving code.~~. I was wrong here, it actually was FSD then, it just wasn't end to end neural nets then like it is now.

Also yikes... the report says the AEB kicked in, and the driver overrode it by pressing on the accelerator!

[–] KayLeadfoot@fedia.io 1 points 3 weeks ago

No shit on that yikes. That blew my fucking mind.

Half the time when your AEB activates, you are unconscious or dazed and you're just flailing around your cabin like a rag doll, because you've crashed. If your foot happens to flail into the accelerator, get ready for a very exciting (if short-lived) application of that impressive 0 to 60 time.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Okay, so I'm going to edit my earlier replies but replying again so you see, as I was wrong.

Version 11/12 in 2023/2024 wasn't using the AP code, it just wasn't using the neural nets. So it was legitimately FSD, but it was running different code on the freeways (non neural net) vs on city streets (neural net)

But it was indeed FSD. Version 11.x was the change where it stopped using AP when you left city streets.