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A lot of Youtube channels are reporting declining viewership lately.

EX1: https://youtube.com/watch?v=cpVnx4_yqTo
EX2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF0tmhEtVJE

Fun times. Looks like a lot of channels are seeing a decline not just Linus. Hes just the latest to talk about it.

Then I saw this article as well and thought I would share.

Anyone here youtube creators? Are you seeing the same thing, a general downturn in viewership?

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[–] TooManyGames@lemmy.world 273 points 3 days ago (54 children)

Folks here are missing the point blaming LTT for the drop. This has been a sudden drop, too sudden to be fatigue or audience tastes changing.

Also I can see the same on my own channel. About 2 weeks ago views suddenly dropped to a third of the usual views. And even high performing videos have had trouble getting views since. Even videos with a high impression percentage are getting lower than average views.

The same wsd also reported by Second Wind (old Zero Punctuation) and their experience is the same: way too sudden drop to be anything else except YouTube adjusting their algorithm.

[–] cardfire@sh.itjust.works 82 points 3 days ago (28 children)

Thanks for the analysis. I've got to say. We on Lemmy can be vicious.

[–] TooManyGames@lemmy.world 42 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, it's easy to bark at influencer we don't like.

[–] cardfire@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I think his org has consistently done its best and I still tune in across the channels. I know that I couldn't do better with matched resources, without experience and a lot more considerations.

Listening to everyone hate on a whole media group puzzles me a bit.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (2 children)

LTT has done bad things and never apologized. For example he copied a gamersnexus script and never acknowledged it.

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

And stole an item to auction off! I can’t believe people here defend their ass D:

[–] dev_null@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Which turned out to be false, and Billet Labs confirmed it was always the agreement that they were not supposed to return it, they just changed their mind later when it was already too late.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The email chain was published by Billet Labs after LTT said there were no expectations of returning the prototype. It proved that Linus lied about it.

[–] dev_null@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Billet Labs explicitly said in the email that "you could keep it". They changed their mind later. So what's the lie? The emails confirm Linus's version.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

"..

Regarding LTT, we are simply going to state the relevant facts:

On 10th August, we were told by LTT via email that the block had been sold at auction. There was no apology.

We replied on 10th August within 30 minutes, telling LTT that this wasn't okay, and that this was a £XXXX prototype, and we asked if they planned to reimburse us at all.

We received no reply and no offer of payment until 2 hours after the Gamers Nexus video went live on 14th August, at which point Linus himself emailed us directly.

The exact monetary value of the prototype was offered as reimbursement. We have not received, nor have we asked for any other form of compensation."

Time-stamped emails were provided as proof.

[–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

All correct, and not conflicting with what I said. For the avoidance of doubt here is the email where Billet Labs confirmed they told them they could keep it: https://imgur.com/a/mF2tz4J

Then they changed their mind, and your timeline follows.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The email says they could keep it for further testing, not sell it.

LTT claimed they offered to pay for it but the time stamps prove they didn't get an offer to pay for it until after GN publicized the mistake.

[–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

The email says they could keep it for further testing, not sell it.

No, the email says they said they could keep it, with no qualifiers, because they thought it would be for further testing, but didn't tell anyone that's their expectation.

[–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Never acknowledged it? He immediately put a pinned comment attributing Gamers Nexus when notified of it, and GN thanked him for it, which any reasonable person would take as him being happy with the resolution.

It was a piece of info from GN's video, not a copied script though.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, that's what I'm basing what I said on. You can see GN thanking Linus for quick action, and being understanding that an inexperienced writer could make such a mistake.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

"quick action"

3 years later and only after Linus made vague legal threats to GN about Honey requiring GN to publicize LTT's past bad behavior.

[–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I'm literally quoting GN, who said "quick action" in the email you can see, what can I tell you. You can disagree that it was quick action, but you are not disagreeing with me, you are disagreeing with GN.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They took quick action 3 years after GN publicized LTT's past bad behavior.

[–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

According to your source they replied and acknowledged the plagiarism 34 minutes after being notified by GN. I have no clue where you are getting 3 years.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"Plagiarism by Linus Tech Tips of GamersNexus content wherein we previously privately reached out without resolution"

They had privately contacted LTT in the past. LTT ignored it until GN made a public video years later.

[–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well, if that happened, no such emails are in the GN response.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The quote was from the linked article.

[–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

You: Quote

Me: The quote is not backed by any proof

You: The quote is from the article

Where else would it be from and how is that relevant?

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

So LTT apologized and gave GN credit only after GN made it public and that's not proof?

https://gamersnexus.net/gn-extras/our-response-linus-sebastian#linus-tech-tips-plagiarism

Read the emails. Linus said he'd fix it. GN thanked him for quick action but 3 years later LTT still hadn't done anything.

[–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So LTT apologized and gave GN credit only after GN made it public and that’s not proof?

Yeah, it is proof that Linus acknowledged it. Of course it was too late and he didn't do enough about it, but that was never in question.

Linus said he’d fix it. GN thanked him for quick action but 3 years later LTT still hadn’t done anything.

All I see in the email is that Linus said he will speak with the writers to not forget citations again and put up a pinned comment, which he did, and GN thanked him for it. I don't see GN requesting any other action in the email. That's definitely not "hadn't done anything". It's not enough, but again that was never in question.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, it is proof that Linus acknowledged it

The receipts show LTT plagerized, Linus promised to fix it but didn't. Steve thanked him expecting that Linus would do what he promised but then Linus did nothing.

3 years later after GN publicized the unethical behavior, Linus then, and only then fixed it.

the writers to not forget citations again and put up a pinned comment, which he did,

But he didn't. He promised to but never did until 3 years later. That's why Steve called him out.

[–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 1 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

3 years later

  • The WAN show with the plagiarized segment aired on September 16, 2022
  • GN wrote to LTT about the plagiarism on September 21, 2022
  • The email reply and pinned comment was published on September 21, 2022, less than an hour later

Please give me some dates because I really can't see where the 3 years are coming from. 3 years haven't even passed yet from when the plagiarism happened

The receipts show LTT plagerized, Linus promised to fix it but didn’t.

So he did acknowledge it. Which, may I remind you again, is all I'm saying, in response your comment that he didn't acknowledge it. I'm not saying he fixed the issue, all I'm saying is that he said he will, which you seem to agree with, so I really don't know what you are disagreeing with me about.

Your original comment is:

For example he copied a gamersnexus script and never acknowledged it

Which I disagree with, because in my opinion it should be:

For example he copied a gamersnexus script, and didn't properly fix the issue even though he acknowleged it and said he will

I don't know why you are saying he fixed it 3 years later when the WAN Clips segment still doesn't even have a pinned comment. He did not fix it then, he did not fix it until now, and I bet it won't be fixed 3 years later, which will pass next week.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

"As of January 20, 2025, nearly 3 years later, there has been no public acknowledgement of the plagiarism, nor retraction of the content in the WAN Show upload with 2,000,000 views. The WAN Show upload and LMG Clips videos do not reference or cite GamersNexus either verbally or on screen at any point for the EVGA story. "

https://gamersnexus.net/gn-extras/our-response-linus-sebastian

[–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 1 points 12 hours ago

Sounds correct, he only acknowledged it in private by responding to the email.

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