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[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 50 points 3 months ago (15 children)

Officials have cited the physical danger that such actions could cause and a desire to avoid an escalation in tensions between Russia and NATO.

Russia clearly does not share these concerns. This wasn’t an “act of aggression,” it was an act of war. Maybe rethink your attitude, NATO.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 59 points 3 months ago (12 children)

Hey, remember when Turkey unflinchingly smoked an Su-24 that entered their airspace, and then Russian shit flying into Turkish airspace was no longer a problem that Turkey had to deal with?

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

The solution is easy. You just need to have the stones to react to the situation as the Russians themselves would. That’s the geopolitical calculus they respond to. This pussy-footing around “avoiding escalation” encourages them to engage in encroaching brinksmanship. If NATO were to collectively say “here’s the line, don’t fucking cross it”, and then frag anything that crossed the line, Russia would very quickly stop crossing the line.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, for me the troops releasing drones from Belarus are a legitimate target now. Sadly I'm not in charge of NATO.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

No - this is about credible defense policy. As such, all that needs to be done is to adhere to the lines, and then actually and promptly follow through. Have a clear and credible path of escalation:

  • notify Russia that any aircraft, drones, or missiles that cross from Russian or Belarusian airspace into any NATO airspace will be shot down, without warning
  • shoot down, without warning, any aircraft, drones, or missiles that cross from Russian or Belarusian airspace into any NATO airspace
  • notify Russia that any additional intrusions will be viewed as attacks, and that any subsequent intrusions will have their launch points or airbases rendered mission-ineffective
  • render any airbases or launch points that are the origin of subsequent intrusions mission-ineffective

This is a level of realpolitik that the Russians will absolutely understand.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Totally agree but the first point should have been done 3 years ago and we should have been on point 3 since the first rockets fell in Poland which was like 2 years ago. Now we should be on point 4, not starting to think about the first one.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I agree completely. Biden’s lead-in to the invasion was, to be frank, a brilliantly adept usage and dissemination of intelligence.

And then he, on the advice of the never-to-be-sufficiently-damned, unforgivably Kissinger-esque, and idiotically geopolitically myopic Jake Sullivan, slow walked fucking everything after that point, because they were too busy pissing their pants at the ghost of USSR past to realize that Russia is a shadow of its former self, and relies on blustering and sword-rattling as primary geopolitical tactics, but doesn’t actually have the capacity to back any of it up.

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