First off... I just wanted to again say thank you to everyone who responded to the help post that I recently made. The outpouring of support was genuinely kind of insane and I never expected it. I'm going to make a different post elsewhere on that but like... I cannot thank you enough.
But for the post itself, this is in reference to this post that I made on September 17th about Jordan Lund's behavior as a lead moderator on Lemmy.World. His behavior beyond the realm of questionable and into active hostility and misinformation. A user commented on that post and @'d Ruud, the head admin of Lemmy.World.
Which, you know, totally fair and valid. Who would want that person reflecting the instance? Especially when a term was used about the Canadian government that Jordan wasn't aware of and instead of asking for clarification, or doing a simple google, he just banned Canadians and doubled down repeatedly. But in that same thread, another Admin clarified they had talked to Jordan about this specific thing and told him it was unacceptable.
Yet 3 and a half hours later, Jordan reaffirms his stance and insists that his half-baked understanding of Canadian politics is correct. For the comment and then an immediate explanation of how he is both an idiot and a liar, check here.
This all happened nearly 10 days ago. The head Admin saying that he publicly doesn't want Jordan to be the face of the instance, another Admin saying his behavior is unacceptable. What has happened? From a public perspective? Effectively nothing. The only thing that has changed is Jordan is down two communities under his moderation belt. One of those was a dead community that was never used and the other was the Community Spotlight team.
Now there's a thousand reasons to dislike Jordans behavior but as a Canadian? His stubborn refusal of acceptance that he doesn't know a thing and stubborn refusal to even acknowledge when someone has proven him wrong has pushed me over the edge. As far as I'm concerned, the United States declared war on Canada when it threatened to use economic force to coerce us into becoming a part of that country. So the idea of an American in control of World News who seems to subscribe to this type of American Exceptionalism? Or at least is too narcissistic to admit fault? I can't stomach it.
But for the Admins to publicly say that they've told him his behavior is unacceptable but then refuse to enforce that? Even when Jordan is flaunting it in the exact same thread and ignoring everything the admins said? Either no one ever talked to Jordan to say that it was unacceptable or someone did talk to Jordan but he just doesn't care. Evidently neither do the admins to enforce their own position on the matter. It has been nearly 10 days and if anything is being done then the movement is a breakneck glacial pace.
I can't in good conscience ever give another second of traffic to Lemmy.World. I moved over from Startrek.Website because of a particular person way back when. One admin on the team who was a friend of mine and had encouraged me to join there when I was looking for another instance. He doesn't even have any involvement in LW anymore and neither do pretty much anyone that I originally knew from the team. It isn't the same site that I started on. Maybe I never paid enough attention when signing up to make a better and more informed decision, who knows.
What I do know is I've moved to Dbzer0. Db0 has been offering a spot on the instance for over a year at this point and after careful consideration of a variety of instances... Dbzer0 is also the one that I would probably fit best with. So if there's anyone out there who hates me and had @Stamets@lemmy.world blocked, here's your cue to block this account now too. Because with a new account comes a very small number of posts. That @Stamets@lemmy.world is #44 on the amount of posts made by any Lemmy account.
I've got some catching up to do.
To all my friends on the LW team, I love you and support you. To the admins who had a say in this? I'm just deeply disappointed. I've seen the speed moved on certain things. A week and a half when y'all admitted you were talking about him before I even made that post? Come on.
Of course lemmy.world admins didn't hold Jordan accountable. If they did, that would mean recognizing their bias and trying to correct it - can't have that.
I will say that I was speaking to an admin, before and after this post, and I was told that they're talking about it but due to a lot of their own rules on removing community moderators it's more of a process that requires more time. Totally grant that and it makes sense, it's just more time than I'm willing to let go.
Even if it takes time, be transparent about it, update the community and explain how long you expect things to take.
Keeping people in the dark will quickly be interpreted as "we don't care"
we just want it to blow over vibes
"Why would we remove him now? We love that he removes content we dislike, like calling out genocide, non-Americans knowing better, and any criticism of our favorite political party."
we're working on his ability to do pr as we just dislike how he makes us look not what he does
O/U on just a new account gets added as the other is removed? If does more than just a wrist slap?
jordan has been removed from our community team several days ago and we're still reviewing further stuff to determine additional actions to take.
there is no clear date to put on this other than my previous comment about it taking several days, as this is all shitty work that takes time and is not something that anyone is looking forward to do. it's obviously our responsibility to review an act in situations like this, but there is only so much time available from volunteers. i'm hoping that we can finalize it this weekend, as weekends tend to be when people have more time available.
there have been multiple voices within our team, as well as from Ruud, to simply strip his moderator permissions from all communities, but this is not something aligning with our rules, especially as this specific part was established after the c/vegan drama some time ago. there are multiple reasons justifying removal of moderators from LW communities, but if we apply them we need to ensure that we have proper justification for that, for every affected community, which is the main thing that is currently still being worked on. i expect that we will find valid justifications for at least some communities, but we need to do this before the removal.
the actions taken so far were primarily relating to his behavior while being a member of our team, not due to his behavior as a community moderator or regular user, as we intend to hold our team to higher standards than regular users or moderators, making this a lot easier to justify.
you've had plenty of time to figure your shit out. at this point you're just slow rolling it as cover hoping it blows over.
which it wont... because jordan will keep causing problems for you lol.
They won't because they like what he does.
Let's see after this week-end. A thorough review of all the actions listed in the post would indeed take a while.
It's been over 10 days, I am doubting they'll remove him fully.
I'll donate $5 to lemmy.world's servers if they do before the end of September 2025. Please hold me up to this.
Let's see after the weekend.
Well, here we are on Sunday night. Nothing been done.
The days become weeks, which become months. While .world covers up their favorite troll made mod.
Awesome, thank you.
Me too!! I don't like .world (as it is now), and I was instance-banned from there long ago (cowards), but I'll donate $5 to them as well if he's removed from all the politics and news communities before end of September 2025!
They'll be swimming in money at this rate
If everyone who wanted Jordan removed as mod, pitched in a dollar, they would be swimming in money! lol
I understand time is needed for a proper review as well as needing additional time to accommodate for the fact that it's all run by volunteers.
However, most of us simply want transparency. There has been no formal announcement thread on this to my knowledge, just replies to the threads that get started about it.
If you're investigating, announce what, why, and how far along. Give us details as to what's going on and the options that are on the table. It doesn't have to be a meticulous blow-by-blow, but the transparency so far is on the other end of the extreme. Maybe if y'all were trying to move against him before he knew what was happening I could see it, but there's no way he doesn't know what's going down at this point.
i tend to be too optimistic on the timelines in which we get things done, especially when they are moderation related. we have just published an official update on the current situation: https://lemmy.world/post/36621226
Yea I get that, we share the timeline problem, I'm always too optimistic on them shits at work lol
So is 10 days to remove the moderation permissions just not enough time? I've been a mod on Lemmy on another account, making a mod and removing mods doesn't take anything longer than 2 minutes.
should we just purge all mods of LW communities because someone says so? we don't arbitrarily remove mods without a proper review. it's not the action of removing someone that requires time but the review whether it should be done.
It's been months of issues with one user, by multiple users saying he's been an issue. He's been transphobic. He's been defending genocide. He's been defending banning people for knowing better than he does.
It's not oh one user doesn't like him it's dozens of users over months to over a year with complaints.
If anything else moved this slow we'd call it out too.
Of course not. But you equally shouldn’t frame this situation as some completely arbitrary complaint made by the platonic default user.
There is a clear pattern of abuse, arrogance, and animosity over a substantial span of time. Individuals from the .world admin team have observed and commented on some of these actions on multiple occasions. None of what Stamets collected and organized in his post was new information hitherto unknown by you all.
As you are the one commenting now, I will assume that you speak for the .world admin team as a whole. I appreciate that you collectively wish to make a calculated and informed decision, and I understand the time burden that comes with volunteer efforts. Ultimately, however, instance administration is not a court of law. Moderation is not a livelihood. The only consequences of relieving Jordan of his volunteer burden are community outrage and hurt feelings. He can't sue you to be reinstated or win a judgement for lost wages.
While I applaud your desire to foster the appearance of keeping everything above board and within the boundaries you all have put in place for yourselves, I must also deride what appears to be unintended hypocrisy: It sounds as if you all have decided what needs to happen and are now engaged in finding the narrative that fits the rules and gets you to your predetermined outcome.
Ubi pus, ibi evacua, not ubi pus, regula consule.
Yeah this seems to be an unfortunately common tactic with people like them, they just deflect and act like we're asking them to just go around purging moderators at will because we told them to with no credible reasons.
Lemmy.world deflecting any blame of their users? Unheard of! Next you'll tell me they hate it when .ml does the exact same thing but it's somehow different.
How long does it take? Because people have been asking for this for months.
I objected to his appointment from the beginning
If you can complete the review by the end of the week-end it should be fine.
I don't know why people are so impatient when things are actually moving.
unfortunately it's still not finished, but we have an update here now: https://lemmy.world/post/36621226
At the very least, more transpancy would be good. It looks like they're doing the same thing they've done for months while saying "we're doing something now."
Does not help the same person said "if one person complains why should we remove them?" Which is not the argument being made.
We want Jordan to be removed. They aren't doing it while saying they're working on it.
The comment above is transparent enough for me: https://lemmy.world/comment/19613753
It's okay, I started posting to !world@quokk.au to keep myself busy in the meantime
Again, I'll pay the $5 if in wrong. But the admin team of .world has said they'll do something before and never acted on it.
Thank you for this comment, good luck with the review.