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[–] u_die_for_elmer@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago (8 children)

I consider tankies to be on the right end of the socialist spectrum, so when I say it I'm punching right. They're still comrades even if they are miss guided by state-capitalist governments. Cheers

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

lmao

anti-communism is always fascist. When you engage in "tankie punching" you engage in fascist anti-communism

[–] u_die_for_elmer@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Sure. Never analyze or critique anything. Got U

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 2 points 2 months ago

How do you get from “never critique anything” to “I can be an anti-communist ideologue”?

[–] o_d@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 months ago

Call it whatever the fuck you want. It's working 100 million times better than this shit we're doing. It's lead to the most rapid increase of quality of life in human history for it's people. Do you really think they care what you think about their government not being socialist enough?

Poverty is not socialism. To uphold socialism, a socialism that is to be superior to capitalism, it is imperative first and foremost to eliminate poverty.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago

I think if you're comparing "degrees" of left vs right, at that point you're missing the forest for the trees. Ultimately, Anarchists and Marxists disagree on strategy and end goal, but both oppose Capitalism and Imperialism. At that point, there really isn't a "more" or "less" left, there's just differences in analysis and what must be done to get from A to B, as well as what B itself is.

[–] ClathrateG@hexbear.net 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Do you believe there has ever been a socialist state, even one?

[–] u_die_for_elmer@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yes. Russia from 1917 till about 1928. A slow, but through counter revolution took place.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I don't think I've run into someone that thinks the NEP was authentically Socialist, but the collectivized, publicly owned and planned economy that defined the Soviet Union for the majority of its existence as "counter-revolutionary." The NEP had more literal bourgeoisie and was defined by controlled markets, it's still a form of Socialism but it's common to deny it that along that basis. Are you a Bukharinist? Do those even exist? Even then, Bukharin seemed to just want to lengthen the NEP, not perpetuate it forever.

Genuinely, this is a take I haven't seen spelled out before. I don't agree, of course, but I'm curious what your reasoning is.

[–] SlayGuevara@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 months ago

Lemmygrad admin here. I normally don't look at reports from other instances but for this I had to make an exception. Probably the dumbest shit I have read so far lmao.

[–] blame@hexbear.net 1 points 2 months ago
[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago

If you're one of those people who just considers "tankie" to be a synonym for "Marxist-leninist" then I suppose I agree, but I think the term is used too nebulously to meaningfully place on the political spectrum.

[–] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 months ago

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