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Maybe someday they'll see the evils of the empire (lemmy.ml)

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[–] harcesz@szmer.info 0 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

You have yet to prove that the war is about extraction, your only point is that Russia hasn’t invaded Finland despite being entirely different situations.

No, my main point is this; https://www.arcgis.com/apps/mapviewer/index.html?webmap=9f04944a2fe84edab9da31750c2b15eb&extent=36.6605%2C47.7199%2C36.6815%2C47.7363 and secondary, that your "NATO to close" argument is ostensibly irrelevant anywhere else. Your "disproving" of this point was what? Saying "no it's not"?

Socialism is not the absence of private property,

Didnt take you for a social democrat. I was pretty sure we actually share fondness for actual workers control, my bad.

Russia has an absolutely tiny amount of the world’s largest companies

True, yet a very disproportionate amount of the worlds richest people. Just as if their was some wild exploitation going on there.

it’s an industrialized economy that has no colonies.

The ones recently "couped" in Africa aside.

There is both a massive quantitative difference and a qualitative difference as a result of that massive gap.

And that means they can invade key resource rich regions of other countries, exploit these and other resources benefiting their own economy and it's ok?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 hours ago

I aware of your point about Finland's proximity. I've already explained that Ukraine is different because it's more millitarized, was actively at war, and was cozying up to NATO. I don't think you repeating that they're the same and me repeating that they're different is going to solve anything.

Secondly, as for socialism not being the absence of private property, I'm a communist, not an anarchist. Once a socialist state is established, production and distribution is gradually collectivized as it develops. This is increasing over time in China, after a correction from the ultraleft Gang of Four period. Socialism is the transition from capitalism to communism, it has elements of the former as they are gradually phased out. Again, here's Cheng Enfu's diagram illustrating it:

As for Russia being wildly unequal, you're correct! It's a nationalist capitalist country, I've never stated otherwise. Secondly, I am not interested in "justifying" Russia, I'm telling you that it's important to understand actual root causes rather than invent ones. The idea that Russia is trying to conquer all of Europe or something isn't accurate.