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[–] FreedomAdvocate 1 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Unfortunately the 10% that don't include the biggest, most played games in the world.

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Like Elden ring and nightreign? Hugely successful games. Play them all the time in Linux.

[–] FreedomAdvocate 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Hows battlefield 6 going on linux? Fortnite? Black Ops 6? Warzone? PUBG? Apex Legends? GTA 5 / GTA Online?

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I don't play any of those.

My point is, there's loads of great popular multiplayer games that don't use garbage kernel level anticheat.

[–] FreedomAdvocate 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

But Elden Ring and Elden Ring Nightreign are not multiplayer games.....?

You can also add many more of the top most popular multiplayer games to my list, I just listed a few of the biggest. You won't be playing GTA6, which is likely to be the biggest game of all time, on Linux. Black Ops 7, the biggest release of this year, won't be on Linux.

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 1 points 22 hours ago

You obviously know nothing about these two games lol. Yes they are multiplayer. Nightreign is also designed to primarily be played 3 players online at a time.

[–] tinfoilhat@lemmy.ml -2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This. Plus anti-cheat is still a removed on Linux.

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Anticheat works fine. Just not the kernel level nasty ones. But that's a good thing.

[–] FreedomAdvocate 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

But that’s a good thing.

If you don't want to be able to play the biggest games released, I guess.....

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You're looking at it wrong. They need to not invade our kernel.

[–] FreedomAdvocate 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

For this type of anti-cheat yes, they do.

You can choose not to let them, it just means you can't play the games. Do you believe they're installing malicious code or something in the anti-cheat?

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 1 points 22 hours ago

Exactly. This is not a type I need. My kernel does not need to be invaded. It's literally enabling spyware and you'd never know it.

Do I believe it? I don't know. But it's possible and I'd never know, so fuck that.

  1. ESEA Bitcoin miner incident (2013) In April 2013 ESEA (a third-party matchmaking + anti-cheat service) had a built-in bitcoin-miner component in their client. It was discovered by users in May. � XDA Developers +1 Because the ESEA client ran with high privileges (as a driver/anti-cheat style client), the mining component was harder to detect and harder to remove compared to normal user-mode software. � XDA Developers The company settled for a $1 M payout. � Lesson: Granting deep OS access to a client means if it goes rogue (or is malicious) you get real damage (mining, rootkit-like behaviour, etc). XDA Developers
  2. Riot Vanguard (for VALORANT) and related complaints Vanguard is the kernel-level anti-cheat used by Riot Games in VALORANT. � Wikipedia +1 It has drawn criticism for its always-running behaviour (some users report it loads at boot even before the game). � Gist +1 Some users report system instability (blue screens) after installation. � Lesson: Even if the anti-cheat isn’t malicious per se, because it’s so deep, any defect or compatibility issue can cause system-wide pain (crashes, instability). XDA Developers
  3. Theoretical/privacy risk: drivers acting like rootkits Academic work (“If It Looks Like a Rootkit…”) analyses KLAC and finds that some solutions behave very similarly to rootkits: intercepting kernel calls, hiding modules, monitoring broad system activity. � arXiv Articles note that allowing game companies to insert drivers at boot time that monitor “outside the game” sets a “potentially dangerous precedent”. � Lesson: Even when everything is “legal”, the architectural model has intrinsic risk: trusted code has extremely high privileges; if trust is misplaced (malicious dev, insider threat, compromise) you have huge exposure. How-To Geek
  4. Example of “residual services” / bad uninstall behaviour A Steam forum post (for game “Delta Force (2025 video game)”) reported that the anti-cheat driver “ACE-BASE / AntiCheatExpert” remained active even after game uninstall, caused conflicts, etc. � Lesson: When kernel-level drivers aren’t cleanly managed/uninstalled, they can linger as “shadow” privileged components, increasing risk surface. Steam Community
  5. Corporate/State concerns & data-privacy An article points out that KLAC by its nature has full system visibility (“what this means is that this type of spyware can exfiltrate sensitive information…”) and calls out potential misuse—especially worrying when combined with acquisitions or state-influence (e.g., the purchase of a KLAC-provider by a sovereign entity). � Lesson: Beyond just “can it crash my PC”, there’s question of what else the driver could observe (system activity, other processes, telemetry) and whether user has meaningful control.