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[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

centralized

Read the damn book. Sometimes it is in fact necessary to read more than a sentence from wikipedia to understand a new idea. This one's worth it.

Edit: nvm. The Wikipedia initial blurb also mentions devolving decision making in the main thing. Didn't even read that much.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It was a centralized system of bottom-up reporting and top-down management, it was an experiment in cybernetics first pioneered by the soviets and most ambitiously by Allende in Chile. The top-down management aspect is part of what made it so successful. I have read up on theory, don’t worry.

[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Have you actually read anything about this topic? Besides the Wikipedia page you're contradicting?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yes, I have. I am not contradicting it, information was sent to the central level and decisions sent back based on those inputs, typically aided by cybernetic algorithms.

Information from the field would be fed into statistical modeling software (Cyberstride) that would monitor production indicators, such as raw material supplies or high rates of worker absenteeism. It alerted workers in near real time. If parameters fell significantly outside acceptable ranges, it notified the central government. The information would also be input into economic simulation software (CHECO, for CHilean ECOnomic simulator). The government could use this to forecast the possible outcome of economic decisions. Finally, a sophisticated operations room (Opsroom) would provide a space where managers could see relevant economic data. They would formulate feasible responses to emergencies and transmit advice and directives to enterprises and factories in alarm situations by using the telex network.

Central planning.

[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I wasn't actually the one advocating specifically that program, and I'm not interested in arguing a Wikipedia article with somebody who's never actually read the literature and understands none of the underlying concepts.

You're reading to confirm what you believe, looking for key words, not to acquire new information. Thats how Hitler said to read in his book. I urge you to better reading material.

If you're too addled by the 20s to make it through a doorstopper pike 'brain of the firm'¹ there was a podcast called 'general intellect unit' where a couple Marxists explored the concepts and went over the key points. Listen to most of that at minimum.

¹not a dig at you; I probably couldn't at this point. Shit's fucked. Kind of afraid to check.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm well aware already, I've read about cybernetics, I haven't read Brain of the Firm specifically but have done other reading on the subject, including how to calculate prices, and how to move beyond price. I don't just read to confirm what I believe, I became a Marxist-Leninist after changing my mind from an anarchist because I read to challenge my existing understanding and deepen it. You insult me with no actual knowledge of me, nor what I've read. It's shallow.

[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Your mom has already done whatever the rest ot what you said said!